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The end for Microsoft Windows Dominance

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    corona_coder

    The chairs will start flying from Ballmers office. Dell on the 24th or May will launch their Linux systems. They are hoping this initiative will help create more raving linux fans. This is so exciting. If anyone on C9 needs help with their new Linux systems please dont hesitate to drop me an e-mail. http://jeremy.linuxquestions.org/2007/05/18/dell-announces-the-models-for-ubuntu/

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    BitFlipper

    Your OS is scraping at the bottom of the barrel somewhere in the "other" column in this chart.

    Run along now and fix your beloved OS so that you can actually give it away for free, and people actually want it!  Apparently it is too pathetic to even manage that.

    You must be so proud!

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    anand.t

    BitFlipper wrote:
    Your OS is scraping at the bottom of the barrel somewhere in the "other" column in this chart.

    Run along now and fix your beloved OS so that you can actually give it away for free, and people actually want it!  Apparently it is too pathetic to even manage that.

    You must be so proud!


    pl. guys dont reply to trolls,  let the thread go down. tx      

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    Sabot

    Now I'm very close to Dell so the reason for shipping Linux as well as Windows is nothing to do preferring Linux, it's about selling PC's, don't be naive about the reason. They've just gone and made a percentage of the industry happy and everyone else indifferent so it's a win-win.

    So is Microsoft going to hate this new trend? Specially if more manufactures follow suite. I actually doubt it.

    Why?

    The main argument against Linux's mass adoption was the preinstalled OS at the point of sale.

    So if people have a real choice and they still chose Windows, what is that going to tell the Linux world?

    Being an ex-Linux user I think it will be a huge wake-up call that the Linux community desperately needs. I want to see an end to the excuses and an end to the in-fighting. The UI even in Ubuntu don't compete against Vista or Mac and these are the benchmarks now. The Linux desktop needs a lot of work and the community has to admit that.

    I would say to the Linux community stick to your strenght and aim at the server market and finish taking this over before aiming at the desktop. Build a core-strength before expanding. Linux only owns the ex-Unix market, but even that is shrinking now.

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    eagle

    I was at an FOSS talk at Googles NYC office last week and no one there had a Linux laptop.

    Wait till you see all the adware and crapware Dell loads on to these laptops.

    I have a $50 coupon for Dell that expires at the end of the month, let me know if you need it.

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    Erisan

    Sabot wrote:
    
    I would say to the Linux community stick to your strenght and aim at the server market and finish taking this over before aiming at the desktop. Build a core-strength before expanding.


    Well... Open Source operating systems aims from embedded to super computers... where ever there is need for an operating system. I don't think there is "Linux community" which should aim to any specific market. There is just many different Open Source projects which are bundled together and distributed as a Linux/*BSD/OpenSolaris/etc. ditribution. All projects live their own life.

    Personally I don't care does Linux ever been widely used. I just hope there will be Open Standards so there is no restrictions when choosing the best OS for own use. I'm using it on AVR32, desktop and server because I have found it best for my use. I don't believe that Linux will be success on Dell's computers. Windows is still safe and many ways the best choice for people. But hopefully in future OS market is lot more fragmented.

    (People should talk KDE/GNOME/etc. not Linux when they are refering to GUIs.)

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    BitFlipper

    Dell already tried this and failed back in 2001.  What on earth makes anyone think it won't just flop yet again?  Initially, there will be a little spike as a few Linux zealots buy one of these Dells. You know, to "prove" what a good business move this was.  And of course, to prove that this is The Year of Linux on the Desktop. 

    After all 17 of them bought their Dells, sales for these systems will once again stagnate and Dell will pull the plug again.

    These people need to realize that the reason it is hard to find non-Windows systems is because this what the consumers want. Not because MS forces OEMs not to install anything else. Businesses do what makes the best business sense, and typically the demand is not there for Linux desktops.  I won't be surprised to find out that the "demand" that was supposedly there for these Linux pre-installed Dells do not translate into actual sales.  There were a lot of noise made by Linux zealots, but when it comes down to taking out the wallet and actually buying these systems, we might see a different story altogether.  Let's wait out the initial little spike and see how this does 1 or 2 years down the line.

    It would be really interesting to see if the FSF applies the same metrics to these Dell systems as they applied to Vista in order to declare Vista a failure.  Would they also declare Linux a failure if it doesn't sell 40 million in 100 days?

    Let's watch...

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    Lloyd_Humph

    BitFlipper wrote:


    ...After all 17 of them...


    Hahaha! Nice whack at them there.

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    jamie

    eagle wrote:
    I was at an FOSS talk at Googles NYC office last week and no one there had a Linux laptop.

    Wait till you see all the adware and crapware Dell loads on to these laptops.

    I have a $50 coupon for Dell that expires at the end of the month, let me know if you need it.


     how do you afford to go to so many conferences?  It seems you go to one every other day.. ?

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    DCMonkey

    emet wrote:
    Sadly, you guys are pretty dillusional. Dell is offering Linux computers exactly because they got HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of requests for it.


    Shouldn't that be "Dellusional"?

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    eagle

    emet wrote:
    ..... they got HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of requests for it.


    Yea, and 3637 came from YOU!


    jamie wrote:
    

     how do you afford to go to so many conferences?  It seems you go to one every other day.. ?


    The Google talk was Free, they fed us and I had three beers!

    I was at InfoWorlds SOA conference and Streaming Media East earler the same day and the day before.  Hung out with that Scobleizer guy, but he didn't have enough energy to walk down to 15th street to Google. I had a Press pass for those events.

    I'm going to Atlantic City tomorrow and Tuesday for a Microsoft developer conference. The conference is free and the bus down is $27, but the casino gives you $22 to spend as you wish.

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    jennsimo

    I reckon most potential linux buyer for Dell are like me: know/think they know something about computers, too cheap to shell out just for a silly operating system... But these people I dont see buying a new laptop every year (too tight with the wallet). I'd love to be one of the 17 who buy a Dell laptop with Ubuntu, but I don't think it will be anything that huge for Dell.

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    Xaero_​Vincent

    Your right.

    The Dell Linux initiative will be a complete failure if no effort is spent on endorsing Linux systems, aren't showcased at retail stores for people to observe and hidden inside Dell's online store with no advertisments anywhere, while Vista logos are pasted all over the front page.

    Here's the problem: Linux is at a disadvantage because no company is willing to do what it takes to market it effectively. Marketing is the key element that attracts consumers. Without clever marketing, the pursuit is fruitless and bound to fail.

    For example: the only Linux advertisements I've seen come from Novell and only appear periodically on dedicated Linux web sites. So that would hardly be effective at attracting people who dont already use Linux.

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    Escamillo

    BitFlipper wrote:
    Your OS is scraping at the bottom of the barrel somewhere in the "other" column in this chart.

    Run along now and fix your beloved OS so that you can actually give it away for free, and people actually want it!  Apparently it is too pathetic to even manage that.

    You must be so proud!


    There's another chart from the same site, that actually breaks down the "other" category, and shows Linux at 0.8%.
    http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=2

    Linux gets orders of magnitude more coverage than is warrented by its actual use.

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    anand.t

    lol many replied Mad so i will also reply Cool


    24th May 2007. Dell Forums

    1) Help me....  Not able to install my Office XP on Ubuntu System
    2) I deleted the internet....I cant see internet explorer. Help meeeeeeeeeee
    3) Webcam not working. I bought a webcam for cheap. I clicked the exe on the disk, but nothing comes. Help me
    4) Msn Messager not installing. I cant install msn messenger plz help
    5) IPOD not working !!! - My ipod is not working on my new computer. Dell reply me now !!
    6) Dell sucks - (some 100lines of crap). ..bottomline, I cannot install my itunes
    7) Dell support is bad -- I called dell support and they told me to call ubuntu support and they are asking me to compile a kernel. I donno anything about that. Dell wont support me and ubuntu wont come home to help me. I want to return the computer but they want 25% re-stocking fee


    24th May 2008 Windows ships 300 million copies.
    24th May 2008 HP tops PC sales, followed by lenovo. Dell slips below acer for 4th.

    25th May 2008. Dell CEO announces easy Vista installation policy for linux machine buyers.

    26th May 2008: CNN: Dell dumps linux for the second time.


    27th May 2008: corono_coder starts new thread.

    "Linux now has 1% user base. The windows era will soon end".

    It hits the first page and I reply again.


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    Royal​Schrubber

    hehe, nice forecast anand.t Smiley

    BTW, I see you a lot on C9 lately. Why don't you get an avatar? Big Smile

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    anand.t

    RoyalSchrubber wrote:
    hehe, nice forecast anand.t

    BTW, I see you a lot on C9 lately. Why don't you get an avatar?


    Actually I have been visiting channel9 for almost a year, but just got an account a month back. Now have more time as I have finished school and looking for a job. I will try to change the avatar soon Cool

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    Royal​Schrubber

    emet wrote:
    
    anand.t wrote:
    lol many replied so i will also reply


    24th May 2007. Dell Forums

    1) Help me....  Not able to install my Office XP on Ubuntu System
    2) I deleted the internet....I cant see internet explorer. Help meeeeeeeeeee
    3) Webcam not working. I bought a webcam for cheap. I clicked the exe on the disk, but nothing comes. Help me
    4) Msn Messager not installing. I cant install msn messenger plz help
    5) IPOD not working !!! - My ipod is not working on my new computer. Dell reply me now !!
    6) Dell sucks - (some 100lines of crap). ..bottomline, I cannot install my itunes
    7) Dell support is bad -- I called dell support and they told me to call ubuntu support and they are asking me to compile a kernel. I donno anything about that. Dell wont support me and ubuntu wont come home to help me. I want to return the computer but they want 25% re-stocking fee


    24th May 2008 Windows ships 300 million copies.
    24th May 2008 HP tops PC sales, followed by lenovo. Dell slips below acer for 4th.

    25th May 2008. Dell CEO announces easy Vista installation policy for linux machine buyers.

    26th May 2008: CNN: Dell dumps linux for the second time.


    27th May 2008: corono_coder starts new thread.

    "Linux now has 1% user base. The windows era will soon end".

    It hits the first page and I reply again.




    Why do you hate Linux?


    No, he's being realistic. That's what you cannot be.

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