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    Cybermagell​an

    I'm the wrong person to comment on this thread as I've done it before...

    Actually using the OSX86 version is what prompted me to buy a Mac. I seem to remember someone saying "If you're going to pirate software I'd rather it be ours"...

    Oh wait, that was someone from Microsoft wasn't it?

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    mig

    Ray6 wrote:
    
    mig wrote:
    
    In the end there are just some rules that while important on a large scale, aren't as important under certain circumstances and I think testing for a trial period is one of those. Again this is only my opinion.


    Glad to hear it. But I must try that line of argument next time I'm stopped for speeding.

    No-one is stopping you from picking which rules to follow, when it's convenient for you; but please, enough of the excuses.





    And yet again with the ridiculous analogies, the reason for speeding laws is that you can kill someone if you lose control of your car for going too fast. When was the last time violating a EULA put human life at risk?

    Pleast stop with these stupid analogies.

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    mig

    Cybermagellan wrote:
    I'm the wrong person to comment on this thread as I've done it before...

    Actually using the OSX86 version is what prompted me to buy a Mac. I seem to remember someone saying "If you're going to pirate software I'd rather it be ours"...

    Oh wait, that was someone from Microsoft wasn't it?


    Exactly my point, I have nothing against using something to aid in my decision making, and for a trial period. This is completely different from pirating something to make money off of, or to use indefinetly.

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    rjdohnert

    It didnt suck bad when I ran it, the only reason I dont run it is because my wireless devices werent supported at all.  Overall good performance though.

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    Custa1200

    mig wrote:
    
    Cybermagellan wrote:
    I'm the wrong person to comment on this thread as I've done it before...

    Actually using the OSX86 version is what prompted me to buy a Mac. I seem to remember someone saying "If you're going to pirate software I'd rather it be ours"...

    Oh wait, that was someone from Microsoft wasn't it?


    Exactly my point, I have nothing against using something to aid in my decision making, and for a trial period. This is completely different from pirating something to make money off of, or to use indefinetly.


    No it isn't, If it is something you require or need you will buy it, if not you will make do with what you have. I still have a bunch of applications I have not upgraded to the latest and greatest because what I have gets me by.

    All you people trying to justify it under some other guise are nothing but flat out pirates, common thieves, usually also the same people around here who are most vocal about things on their soapbox yet when you are doing wrong as apposed to others or the host company here, you chastise and make them out to be evil.... your morals are seriously flawed and hence any argument you make really carries no value or weight.

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    Royal​Schrubber

    Custa1200 wrote:
    
    mig wrote:
    
    Cybermagellan wrote:
    I'm the wrong person to comment on this thread as I've done it before...

    Actually using the OSX86 version is what prompted me to buy a Mac. I seem to remember someone saying "If you're going to pirate software I'd rather it be ours"...

    Oh wait, that was someone from Microsoft wasn't it?


    Exactly my point, I have nothing against using something to aid in my decision making, and for a trial period. This is completely different from pirating something to make money off of, or to use indefinetly.


    No it isn't, If it is something you require or need you will buy it, if not you will make do with what you have. I still have a bunch of applications I have not upgraded to the latest and greatest because what I have gets me by.

    All you people trying to justify it under some other guise are nothing but flat out pirates, common thieves, usually also the same people around here who are most vocal about things on their soapbox yet when you are doing wrong as apposed to others or the host company here, you chastise and make them out to be evil.... your morals are seriously flawed and hence any argument you make really carries no value or weight.


    When you go out shoping for shoes you also try on few pairs. But those shoes are $25-100 - frickin Apple Computer is at least $1000, so don't tell me I don't have some kind of right to try it first.

    I know it's against license, but I'm not going to spend all that money and later find out they don't take back computers.
    I think it's _morally_ ok to install os x on pc only to try it for a week to see if it suits you.

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    Bas

    RoyalSchrubber wrote:
    When you go out shoping for shoes you also try on few pairs. But those shoes are $25-100 - frickin Apple Computer is at least $1000, so don't tell me I don't have some kind of right to try it first.


    You do have that right: you can try it at the Apple store.

    RoyalSchrubber wrote:

    I think it's _morally_ ok to install os x on pc only to try it for a week to see if it suits you.


    That's fine, but that doesn't mean that you can then -legally- 'take' that right if it isn't there.

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    Royal​Schrubber

    Bas wrote:
    
    RoyalSchrubber wrote:
    When you go out shoping for shoes you also try on few pairs. But those shoes are $25-100 - frickin Apple Computer is at least $1000, so don't tell me I don't have some kind of right to try it first.


    You do have that right: you can try it at the Apple store.


    Lol, I can try it for 40 minutes in all that rush Perplexed

    Bas wrote:
    

    RoyalSchrubber wrote:

    I think it's _morally_ ok to install os x on pc only to try it for a week to see if it suits you.


    That's fine, but that doesn't mean that you can then -legally- 'take' that right if it isn't there.

    I didn't say I take it legally. I think it's legitimate but not legal.

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    AndyC

    RoyalSchrubber wrote:
    

    When you go out shoping for shoes you also try on few pairs. But those shoes are $25-100 - frickin Apple Computer is at least $1000, so don't tell me I don't have some kind of right to try it first.


    Presumably you wouldn't mind if someone went joyriding in your car, just to "try it out." After all, a car is way more expensive than a computer. Or how about letting some squatters live in your house, because those things are crazy expensive to buy without at least trying some out first....

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    W3bbo

    AndyC wrote:
    
    RoyalSchrubber wrote:
    

    When you go out shoping for shoes you also try on few pairs. But those shoes are $25-100 - frickin Apple Computer is at least $1000, so don't tell me I don't have some kind of right to try it first.


    Presumably you wouldn't mind if someone went joyriding in your car, just to "try it out." After all, a car is way more expensive than a computer. Or how about letting some squatters live in your house, because those things are crazy expensive to buy without at least trying some out first....


    That's not a good analogy. In your case, you're taking someone else's car. A better analogy would be making a perfect atom-for-atom copy of my car, then taking that for a joyride.

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    Royal​Schrubber

    AndyC wrote:
    
    RoyalSchrubber wrote:
    

    When you go out shoping for shoes you also try on few pairs. But those shoes are $25-100 - frickin Apple Computer is at least $1000, so don't tell me I don't have some kind of right to try it first.


    Presumably you wouldn't mind if someone went joyriding in your car, just to "try it out." After all, a car is way more expensive than a computer. Or how about letting some squatters live in your house, because those things are crazy expensive to buy without at least trying some out first....


    I'm not selling car nor house. If that were the case of course I would let him try the car or spend few days in house if that person wanted so. Bad analogy. Wink

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    Bas

    RoyalSchrubber wrote:
    
    Lol, I can try it for 40 minutes in all that rush


    You can come back another day.

    RoyalSchrubber wrote:
    

    I didn't say I take it legally. I think it's legitimate but not legal.


    I know, I said it. But you're suggesting that just because it's morally okay, you should legally be able to do it.

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    JChung2006

    RoyalSchrubber wrote:
    I think it's _morally_ ok to install os x on pc only to try it for a week to see if it suits you.

    Give me a break.  If you want to be a pirate and violate license agreements, that's one thing, but don't try to make yourself feel better about it by claiming that it is "morally OK."

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    JChung2006

    mig wrote:
    There are instances where a EULA is not viable under certain circumstances. I will concede that the software is not mine and as a licensee I should only do what the EULA states, but in reality no 'real' crime is being committed, it is more of a moral issue than a criminal one.

    Those instances usually involve outlandishly aggressively EULA's impinging upon or outright violating a licensee's civil rights.  This instance isn't one of those cases.  It is not your right to copy software illegally and use it on your machine just because you want to "try it out."
    mig wrote:

    In the end there are just some rules that while important on a large scale, aren't as important under certain circumstances and I think testing for a trial period is one of those. Again this is only my opinion.

    So it's OK to drink and drive until you run over that little girl on the sidewalk?  Is it OK to be immoral until it becomes a criminal issue, in other words?  No, it isn't.

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    Dr Herbie

    JChung2006 wrote:
    
    mig wrote:

    In the end there are just some rules that while important on a large scale, aren't as important under certain circumstances and I think testing for a trial period is one of those. Again this is only my opinion.

    So it's OK to drink and drive until you run over that little girl on the sidewalk with a blood-alcohol ratio over the limit?  Is it OK to be immoral until it becomes a criminal issue, in other words?


    Lol, what a ridiculous comparison!  A violation of a EULA equated to drink and drive killings?  Did you even think before you posted that? Did you even think that it was slightly out of balance to make that analogy?


    Absolutely ridiculous.


    Herbie


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    Royal​Schrubber

    Bas wrote:
    
    RoyalSchrubber wrote:
    
    Lol, I can try it for 40 minutes in all that rush

    You can come back another day.

    But probably you can't/aren't allowed to test compatibility with your existing computer equipment (old digital cameras, printer, mouse) and I guess they also don't allow you to install and test tons of software that you might want to use on your mac.

    Bas wrote:
    

    RoyalSchrubber wrote:
    

    I didn't say I take it legally. I think it's legitimate but not legal.



    I know, I said it. But you're suggesting that just because it's morally okay, you should legally be able to do it.

    You made up that yourself. I am totally against breaking license agreement, if they had catched me they should've punished me. It's wrong to place personal morality in front of law.

    It's just that most os producers don't make trial versions where you could try product yourself - so fck them, I'm going to test it myself.

    Anyway chill out, it isn't big deal. Smiley

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    andokai

    What's with all the sanctimonious attitudes guys? I'm sure none of you have never downloaded music or watched a copyrighted show on YouTube etc.

    Quick lets call the feds on this guy. Sheesh!

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    W3bbo

    andokai wrote:
    What's with all the sanctimonious attitudes guys? I'm sure none of you have never downloaded music or watched a copyrighted show on YouTube etc.!


    Get your terminology right Wink

    Practically everything on Youtube is copyrighted, I've downloaded copyright music, I've downloaded copyrighted software.

    Downloading copyrighted foo is a-okay.

    It's only when you're downloading copyrighted materials without permission from the copyrightholder that it gets illicit.

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