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Airbus A380 runs windows?

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    Sven Groot

    I ran across this picture of the A380 cockpit.

    Look in the screens on the far left and right, behind the side-stick. Looks like Windows to me. Smiley

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    Ray6

    Sven Groot wrote:
    

    I ran across this picture of the A380 cockpit.

    Look in the screens on the far left and right, behind the side-stick. Looks like Windows to me.



    If they really are running Windows on any airplane, I can guarantee that it will not be doing anything critical.

    Chances are, they're not.


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    Sven Groot

    Ray6 wrote:
    
    Sven Groot wrote:
    

    I ran across this picture of the A380 cockpit.

    Look in the screens on the far left and right, behind the side-stick. Looks like Windows to me.



    If they really are running Windows on any airplane, I can guarantee that it will not be doing anything critical.

    Duh! Smiley

    It's an extremely cool looking cockpit though... I hope FS11 will have this thing. Cool

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    phreaks

    Sven Groot wrote:
    

    I ran across this picture of the A380 cockpit.

    Look in the screens on the far left and right, behind the side-stick. Looks like Windows to me.



    Ya, it *looks* like it could be windows...

    but what exactly is it doing? My guess is probably diagnostics fuel / part monitoring or youtube browsing.

    Typically most navigation systems run on LynxOS or some other flavor of BSD/Linux.

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    Ray6

    Sven Groot wrote:
    
    Ray6 wrote:
    
    Sven Groot wrote:
    

    I ran across this picture of the A380 cockpit.

    Look in the screens on the far left and right, behind the side-stick. Looks like Windows to me.



    If they really are running Windows on any airplane, I can guarantee that it will not be doing anything critical.

    Duh!

    It's an extremely cool looking cockpit though... I hope FS11 will have this thing.


    Yes. Did love the picture. One of those cockpits that makes you believe you're almost smart enough to fly the thing .... Smiley

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    kriskdf

    I was in an A330 (I think) not too long ago and they had these personal video player things in the seats.  They were running some flavor of Linux.  How do I know this?  I saw not one, not two, but three of them crash while other people were watching movies and a little penguin popped up while it was rebooting. 

    I was listening to my Zune, so I didn't experience the crash myself, but it was somewhat amusing.  I realize it was probably crappy video drivers or something, but still funny.

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    SlackmasterK

    Billions of dollars in R&D, hundreds of millions on the planes themselves, and they can't upgrade the basic cloth seats? Jeez...

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    PaoloM

    phreaks wrote:
    Typically most navigation systems run on LynxOS or some other flavor of BSD/Linux.

    Er... highly doubt it Smiley

    Probably P/DOS or vxWorks or some other hard real time OS. We used P/DOS for the tracking system of a telescope and that thing is a pain to program for, but when it runs, it runs forever.

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    phreaks

    PaoloM wrote:
    
    phreaks wrote:
    Typically most navigation systems run on LynxOS or some other flavor of BSD/Linux.

    Er... highly doubt it

    Probably P/DOS or vxWorks or some other hard real time OS. We used P/DOS for the tracking system of a telescope and that thing is a pain to program for, but when it runs, it runs forever.


    LynxOS is a real-time OS and so is was IRIX
    and my assertion wasn't speculation...

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    PaoloM

    phreaks wrote:
    
    PaoloM wrote:
    
    phreaks wrote:
    Typically most navigation systems run on LynxOS or some other flavor of BSD/Linux.

    Er... highly doubt it

    Probably P/DOS or vxWorks or some other hard real time OS. We used P/DOS for the tracking system of a telescope and that thing is a pain to program for, but when it runs, it runs forever.


    LynxOS is a real-time OS and so is was IRIX
    and my assertion wasn't speculation...

    Sorry, brain fart on my side Smiley

    Of cours LynxOS is hard RT... nevermind, move along, nothing to see Smiley

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    phreaks

    PaoloM wrote:
    
    phreaks wrote:
    
    PaoloM wrote:
    
    phreaks wrote:
    Typically most navigation systems run on LynxOS or some other flavor of BSD/Linux.

    Er... highly doubt it

    Probably P/DOS or vxWorks or some other hard real time OS. We used P/DOS for the tracking system of a telescope and that thing is a pain to program for, but when it runs, it runs forever.


    LynxOS is a real-time OS and so is was IRIX
    and my assertion wasn't speculation...

    Sorry, brain fart on my side

    Of cours LynxOS is hard RT... nevermind, move along, nothing to see


    no harm, no foul. Cool

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    Massif

    You know if y'all gonna get really picky, there's no such thing as a real-time OS. There's just an OS which has services which make writing real-time programs possible.

    (I know that there's a basic set of functionality that you need, and if you have most people will label you a "real time OS" but I also know that means nothing.)

    Hell, I've written windows programs which can deterministically respond once per millisecond with a jitter of a couple of clock ticks either side... Granted, it was a device driver, and the clock tick came from a PCI card... But, y'know real-time windows...

    Besides which, what would the pilots use to play solitaire on during those long and boring flights while the plane flies itself? They couldn't use playing cards, they might accidentally jam a switch or something.

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    phreaks

    Massif wrote:
    

    You know if y'all gonna get really picky, there's no such thing as a real-time OS. There's just an OS which has services which make writing real-time programs possible.

    (I know that there's a basic set of functionality that you need, and if you have most people will label you a "real time OS" but I also know that means nothing.)

    Hell, I've written windows programs which can deterministically respond once per millisecond with a jitter of a couple of clock ticks either side... Granted, it was a device driver, and the clock tick came from a PCI card... But, y'know real-time windows...



    Advanced modern RTOS systems also guarantee that CPU cycles and Memory will be available at any given point in time enforced by partitioned isolation in the MMU.

    Some (like LynxOS) can also isolate specific processes within the MMU partition.

    Talk about hardcore virtualization!

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    MB

    phreaks wrote:
    
    Sven Groot wrote:
    

    I ran across this picture of the A380 cockpit.

    Look in the screens on the far left and right, behind the side-stick. Looks like Windows to me.



    Ya, it *looks* like it could be windows...

    but what exactly is it doing? My guess is probably diagnostics fuel / part monitoring or youtube browsing.


    Running Flight Simulator ??  Perplexed

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    W3bbo

    MB wrote:
    
    phreaks wrote:
    
    Sven Groot wrote:
    

    I ran across this picture of the A380 cockpit.

    Look in the screens on the far left and right, behind the side-stick. Looks like Windows to me.



    Ya, it *looks* like it could be windows...

    but what exactly is it doing? My guess is probably diagnostics fuel / part monitoring or youtube browsing.


    Running Flight Simulator ?? 


    Actually, running a simulation of reality within a real-world application is very interesting.

    It means you can tell if something's gone wrong by how much reality has differed from the controlled simulation, for example.

    There was this other thing, where an OS kernel runs a simulation of itself. If the simulation goes kaput because of a faulty driver, the kernel unloads it before it can do any damage.

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    phreaks

    W3bbo wrote:
    
    MB wrote:
    
    phreaks wrote:
    
    Sven Groot wrote:
    

    I ran across this picture of the A380 cockpit.

    Look in the screens on the far left and right, behind the side-stick. Looks like Windows to me.



    Ya, it *looks* like it could be windows...

    but what exactly is it doing? My guess is probably diagnostics fuel / part monitoring or youtube browsing.


    Running Flight Simulator ?? 


    Actually, running a simulation of reality within a real-world application is very interesting.

    It means you can tell if something's gone wrong by how much reality has differed from the controlled simulation, for example.

    There was this other thing, where an OS kernel runs a simulation of itself. If the simulation goes kaput because of a faulty driver, the kernel unloads it before it can do any damage.


    Very Interesting, indeed.

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    martin_lovi​ck

    P/DOS is a little long in the tooth and only reall available for the older platforms (ie 68k systems), I doubt its VxWorks as this doesnt (as far as I know) have a windowing system.

    It may be QNX or LynxOS (havent really played with either of them yet)...

    ... but Windows? in a control system for a hard real-time application?
    forget it

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    Sven Groot

    MB wrote:
    Running Flight Simulator ?? 

    It almost looks like that, doesn't it? But it's just a tail camera display. Which is really going to help with taxiing; visibility when taxiing isn't actually all that good, especially in large jets.

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