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Damnit WHS delayed again

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    blowdart

    Or at least the HP version, to, errr, upgrade the user experience.

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    Ray6

    blowdart wrote:
    Or at least the HP version, to, errr, upgrade the user experience.


    Well, if they want to delay to it squash bugs, then let them.

    It's better than releasing something that could screw lose the family photo albums.

    I've just noticed that the Inquirer has a link inviting you to 'flame the author'.  How desperate for hits are they?


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    dahat

    Ray6 wrote:
    Well, if they want to delay to it squash bugs, then let them.

    It's better than releasing something that could screw lose the family photo albums.

    True in part... only it's been a whole bunch of delays really... at least in the states anyway.

    WHS RTMed back in mid July and is already available (OEM copies) overseas... just not here yet and I’m getting rather impatient as my RC copy has some show stopping bugs that the RTM does not.

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    Ray6

    dahat wrote:
    

    Ray6 wrote:
    Well, if they want to delay to it squash bugs, then let them.

    It's better than releasing something that could screw lose the family photo albums.

    True in part... only it's been a whole bunch of delays really... at least in the states anyway.

    WHS RTMed back in mid July and is already available (OEM copies) overseas... just not here yet and I’m getting rather impatient as my RC copy has some show stopping bugs that the RTM does not.



    Fair enough, but I remain in favour of companies holding back releases until they are absolutely sure that they have it right. This thing will be managing PCs for folks who know nothing about being a sysadmin; even something as trivial as UI tweaks can make all the difference.


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    blowdart

    But I want one *now* damnit. NOW! And apparently it won't get here (the UK) till January.

    Actually the Medion looks nicer than the HP box spec wise.

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    Ray6

    blowdart wrote:
    But I want one *now* damnit. NOW! And apparently it won't get here (the UK) till January.


    Patience young padwan ... patience ....
    This is Microsoft's most interesting product release in years; they need to get it right. I'd like to give it a try, but I'm going to wait for the reports from the early adopters.

    blowdart wrote:
    
    Actually the Medion looks nicer than the HP box spec wise.


    Certainly does. Lots of new interesting stuff in the area of power management; vital if you're expecting home users to keep a server running 24/7


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    blowdart

    Ray6 wrote:
    

    Certainly does. Lots of new interesting stuff in the area of power management; vital if you're expecting home users to keep a server running 24/7




    Oh well if it's low power / noise you want .... check out the Tranquil range.

    I'm very tempted by this, if only it had two internal drives. The 1000Gb version is shipping with the new WD "Green" drives too (with the 500Gb drive to follow). Shame there's no ESATA ports.

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    Ray6

    blowdart wrote:
    
    Ray6 wrote:
    

    Certainly does. Lots of new interesting stuff in the area of power management; vital if you're expecting home users to keep a server running 24/7




    Oh well if it's low power / noise you want .... check out the Tranquil range.

    I'm very tempted by this, if only it had two internal drives. The 1000Gb version is shipping with the new WD "Green" drives too (with the 500Gb drive to follow). Shame there's no ESATA ports.


    Wow! ... Expressionless

    Thanks for that; I'd never even heard of these people. 

    That sounds like just the job


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    blowdart

    Ray6 wrote:
    
    Wow! ...

    Thanks for that; I'd never even heard of these people. 

    That sounds like just the job




    Especially now it's with gigabit ethernet (the web site says it, the PDF hasn't been updated yet). Their blog is interesting, they have been having real fun doing a recovery system on a truely headless box, they ended up doing very clever things with a USB key.

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    Ray6

    blowdart wrote:
    
    Ray6 wrote:
    
    Wow! ...

    Thanks for that; I'd never even heard of these people. 

    That sounds like just the job




    Especially now it's with gigabit ethernet (the web site says it, the PDF hasn't been updated yet). Their blog is interesting, they have been having real fun doing a recovery system on a truely headless box, they ended up doing very clever things with a USB key.


    Now that is clever ... :O

    And they are going to ship this with their boxes too.

    A nice standardised platform, that still offers enough room for the vendors to differentiate themselves. Good stuff



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    Bas

    Anyone know what the physical dimensions of that Medion box are? I want to get one of these things as soon as possible, but I'm wondering what each device's energy consumption is like.

    blowdart wrote:
    I'm very tempted by this, if only it had two internal drives. The 1000Gb version is shipping with the new WD "Green" drives too (with the 500Gb drive to follow). Shame there's no ESATA ports.


    The fact that it only has one drive is the dealbreaker for me, really. What are they thinking?

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    blowdart

    Bas wrote:
    
    The fact that it only has one drive is the dealbreaker for me, really. What are they thinking?


    That's not so bad, remember the drive "mirroring" isn't RAID, you can use external drives. However I'd rather have seen ESATA than USB2 for that.

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    Bas

    blowdart wrote:
    
    Bas wrote:
    
    The fact that it only has one drive is the dealbreaker for me, really. What are they thinking?


    That's not so bad, remember the drive "mirroring" isn't RAID, you can use external drives. However I'd rather have seen ESATA than USB2 for that.


    I know, but the way it is now, it does no mirroring at all out of the box. If Joe Public who knows nothing about data mirrorring or MTBF's buys this thing to keep his snapshots safe, he's going to be mighty pissed off when the drive fails and hears that he was supposed to buy an extra drive if he wanted his data to be protected. Which, incidentally, was exactly why he bought the thing in the first place.

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    blowdart

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    I know, but the way it is now, it does no mirroring at all out of the box. If Joe Public who knows nothing about data mirrorring or MTBF's buys this thing to keep his snapshots safe, he's going to be mighty pissed off when the drive fails and hears that he was supposed to buy an extra drive if he wanted his data to be protected. Which, incidentally, was exactly why he bought the thing in the first place.


    I don't know if the WHS setup enables duplication by default out of the box, I know I added a new disk and had to enable it manually.

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    Bas

    blowdart wrote:
    
    I don't know if the WHS setup enables duplication by default out of the box, I know I added a new disk and had to enable it manually.


    If one buys a pre-installed machine with two disks, it would make sense if it was already set up to enable duplication. Especially since they're marketing it as a device for non-technical users.

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    blowdart

    Bas wrote:
    
    blowdart wrote:
    
    I don't know if the WHS setup enables duplication by default out of the box, I know I added a new disk and had to enable it manually.


    If one buys a pre-installed machine with two disks, it would make sense if it was already set up to enable duplication. Especially since they're marketing it as a device for non-technical users.


    True; or perhaps you'll get users complaining only half their space is available.

    The Medion is interesting, it says it has hardware RAID.

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    Bas

    blowdart wrote:
    True; or perhaps you'll get users complaining only half their space is available.

    The Medion is interesting, it says it has hardware RAID.


    That's also true, yeah. I'm glad I don't have to market stuff like this.

    Harware RAID, huh? I wonder how that works in conjunction with their magic mirroring technique. I kind of like the fact that I can just plug in any sort of drive and add it to the mirroring pool, I wonder why one would use hardware RAID instead.

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    blowdart

    Bas wrote:
    I wonder why one would use hardware RAID instead.


    The same as any server. Mirror the OS drive.

    Then use the slotted in drives to expand the data.

    Thus if the original OS drive dies your server stays up.

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