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    raymond

    The snows and ice of Kilimanjaro were mostly gone many years ago!

    "In a fascinating article published in the July-August issue of American Scientist, Mote and Kaser (2007) present an illuminating review of the comprehensive field work that has been conducted over the past twenty years on tropical glaciers in general - and those of Mount Kilimanjaro in particular - in which one of them (Kaser) was intimately involved, writing within the context of current concerns over possible CO2-induced global warming and the connection that a number of high-level climate alarmists (Al Gore, John McCain and Hillary Clinton come to mind) have attempted to make between this conjectured phenomenon and the disappearing ice fields of what they call the "shining mountain...."

    "...Observations suggest that between 1880 and 2003, there was a shrinkage of almost 90% in the ice-covered area of Kilimanjaro; but Mote and Kaser note that "much of that decline [66%] had already taken place by 1953." This "pacing of change," in their words, "is at odds with the pace of temperature changes globally." In fact, at the closest point of reanalysis temperature data availability in the vicinity of Kilimanjaro's peak, they say "there seems to be no trend since the late 1950s." Consequently, and based on a long list of other observations, the two researchers ascribe the long-term wasting away of ice on Kilimanjaro "to a combination of factors other than warming air - chiefly a drying of the surrounding air that reduced accumulation and increased ablation."

    http://www.co2science.org/scripts/CO2ScienceB2C/articles/V10/N36/EDIT.jsp


    KILIMANJARO

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GCSROtM5xQ

    Cool

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    SlackmasterK

    Dude, seriously.  Get a blog. They're free.

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    raymond

    Got one.

    The Coffeehouse is not confined to topics of discussion that pertain only to information technology or all things Microsoft (see the ReadMe.txt menu item).

    If you are not interested in one of the topics being discussed--ignore it.

    I do all the time.

    If you are interested, join the conservation.

    Computers hardware and software are the chief enablers of the models being run and projecting, not predicting or forecasting, global climate change.

    How the models are being used or misused is a an important and valid concern of everbody including developers.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_climate_model

    http://www.iop.org/activity/policy/Publications/file_4147.pdf

    Cool

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    Rossj

    raymond wrote:



    Steve Gloor wrote:

    A fairly prominent Global Warming Skeptic site, CO2Science, has very misleading descriptions prefacing legitimate research that could lead people into thinking that the cited research confirms the idea that this site is promoting that the Medieval Warming Period was warmer than today and global in extent.


    http://stevegloor.typepad.com/sgloor/2006/02/bogus_descripti.html


    Sorry I won't accept fraudulent representations of valid research as valid - try again...

    Almost as bad as that skeptics list you pointed at that was full of dead people and non-experts.

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    Dharma Punk

    Hopefully that will calm down those raging baboons.

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    littleguru

    And I got the flu because it being so cold.

    Raymond, seriously, get a blog. We are tired of these global warming threads... This is as if I would always start a thread on why bananas are yellow. We got it!

    Or start one thread about global warming and post everything in that thread.

    I tell you the truth: each time I read a thread or even a reply by you I just jump over it. I always think: OH NOES NOT AGAIN GLOBAL WARMING!

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    esoteric

    I have to agree with Raymond, but I do wish he'd participate in his own discussions rather than do so by proxy via links.

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    esoteric

    littleguru wrote:

    I tell you the truth: each time I read a thread or even a reply by you I just jump over it. I always think: OH NOES NOT AGAIN GLOBAL WARMING!


    You should be a politician! Wink

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    ZippyV

    esoteric wrote:
    I have to agree with Raymond, but I do wish he'd participate in his own discussions rather than do so by proxy via links.

    That's a paradox.

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    DoomBringer

    Tom Brokaw said Global Climate Change was real and was anthropogenic.

    Answer found.  Close thread.

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    cornelius

    actually i enjoy raymond threads, its nice to break away from tech related discussions once in a while

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    blowdart

    esoteric wrote:
    I have to agree with Raymond, but I do wish he'd participate in his own discussions rather than do so by proxy via links.


    You actually think he reads and understands the links? I doubt it; it's like religon for him, he repeats what he's told because someone else told him to believe it.

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    ScanIAm

    Rossj wrote:
    
    raymond wrote:
    



    http://www.co2science.org/scripts/CO2ScienceB2C/articles/V10/N36/EDIT.jsp




    Steve Gloor wrote:

    A fairly prominent Global Warming Skeptic site, CO2Science, has very misleading descriptions prefacing legitimate research that could lead people into thinking that the cited research confirms the idea that this site is promoting that the Medieval Warming Period was warmer than today and global in extent.


    http://stevegloor.typepad.com/sgloor/2006/02/bogus_descripti.html


    Sorry I won't accept fraudulent representations of valid research as valid - try again...

    Almost as bad as that skeptics list you pointed at that was full of dead people and non-experts.


    LOL, you FAIL ray-ray.

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    raymond

    International Journal of Climatology


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    Modern glacier retreat on Kilimanjaro as evidence of climate change: observations and facts
    Georg Kaser 1 *, Douglas R. Hardy 2, Thomas Mölg 1, Raymond S. Bradley 2, Tharsis M. Hyera 3


    Abstract
    "In recent years, Kilimanjaro and its vanishing glaciers have become an icon of global warming, attracting broad interest. In this paper, a synopsis of Angel field observations made by the authors and (b) climatic data as reported in the literature (proxy and long-term instrumental data) is presented to develop a new concept for investigating the retreat of Kilimanjaro's glaciers, based on the physical understanding of glacier-climate interactions. The concept considers the peculiarities of the mountain and implies that climatological processes other than air temperature control the ice recession in a direct manner. A drastic drop in atmospheric moisture at the end of the 19th century and the ensuing drier climatic conditions are likely forcing glacier retreat on Kilimanjaro. Future investigations using the concept as a governing hypothesis will require research at different climatological scales. Copyright © 2004 Royal Meteorological Society"

    http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/cgi-bin/abstract/107630666/ABSTRACT?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0



    JOURNAL OF GEOPHYSICAL RESEARCH, VOL. 109, D16104, doi:10.1029/2003JD004338, 2004

    Ablation and associated energy balance of a horizontal glacier

    surface on Kilimanjaro

    Thomas Mo¨lg

    Tropical Glaciology Group, Department of Geography, Innsbruck University Network of Climate and Cryospheric Research,

    University of Innsbruck, Innsbruck, Austria

    Douglas R. Hardy

    Climate System Research Center, Department of Geosciences, University of Massachusetts, Amherst, Massachusetts, USA

    Received 7 November 2003; revised 30 March 2004; accepted 9 June 2004; published 25 August 2004.

    "...Placing the results in the context of modern glacier

    retreat on Kilimanjaro, a particular sensitivity of the summit

    horizontal glacier surfaces to precipitation variability (magnitude

    and timing) can be confirmed by this study. This fits

    well into the present knowledge of modern glacier retreat on

    Kilimanjaro and in East Africa in general, initiated by a

    drastic reduction in precipitation at the end of the nineteenth

    century [Hastenrath, 1984, 2001; Kaser et al., 2004b].

    Subsequent shifts in the glacier mass balance (reduced

    accumulation and increased ablation in a relative and an

    absolute sense) maintained the retreat until the present [Mo¨lg

    et al., 2003b]. Several studies on glacier behavior in the

    global tropics have demonstrated the extreme sensitivity of

    these glaciers to variations in air humidity and related

    variables like precipitation, surface albedo, cloudiness, and

    incoming shortwave radiation [e.g., Kruss, 1983; Kruss and

    Hastenrath, 1987; Kaser and Georges, 1997; Wagnon et al.,

    1999b, 2001; Francou et al., 2003; Mo¨lg et al., 2003a]. This

    sensitivity induces especially strong responses from tropical

    glaciers, presently recession, to climate variability including

    changes in moisture.


    http://www.geo.umass.edu/climate/tanzania/pubs/moelg_hardy_2004jgr.pdf

    Kilimanjaro not a victim of climate change, UW scientist says

    "...Also, recent data from Kilimanjaro show temperatures on the 19,340-foot volcano never rise above freezing. So melting triggered by a warmer atmosphere can't be the reason the small summit ice sheet is retreating about 3 feet a year, said Georg Kaser, co-author of the new article and a glaciologist at the University of Innsbruck in Austria.

    Most glaciers in temperate zones, like those on Mount Rainier, extend to lower elevations where their terminus is warmed to the melting point in summer.

    On Kilimanjaro, ice loss seems to be driven by two factors: a lack of snowfall and sublimation, the same process that causes freezer burn by sucking moisture out of leftovers.

    Researchers believe Kilimanjaro's glaciers formed about 11,000 years ago, when the region was undergoing a period of wet weather that allowed snow to accumulate. But even before the first Europeans reached the summit in 1889, the weather has been dry in Eastern Africa. There simply hasn't been enough snowfall to keep up with the loss of ice due to sublimation, Kaser explained.

    Sublimation, caused by exposure to sunlight and dry air, occurs when ice essentially skips the melting step and evaporates. ..."

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2003744089_kilimanjaro12m.html

    Background:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glacier

    Or

    An Inconvenient Truth Bonus Preview Trailer Global Warming



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmFY7E4hhiQ

    Make up your own mind.

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