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What happened to Madeline Mcann?

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    Lloyd_Humph

    What do you thinks happened to her? Nobody can really say much, but what do you all think happened to her?

    It doesn't have to be based or anything, I'm just wondering.

    Its horrible what happened, but it just seems too messed up to me, to make a decision. Of course, you can rarely believe anything the media says, but still..

    Opinions?

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    W3bbo

    She's either:

    • Dead
    • In a brothel in South East Asia
    • In a basement hideaway
    TBH I never really cared, her parents courted the media perfectly, the rest was easy, after all she's:

    • White
    • Blond
    • A child
    • Middle class
    • Not ugly
    A key formula, tying in perfectly with the Great Paedophile Scare of the early 00s.

    I doubt it'll ever be solved, her parents should give up now in lieu of any actual evidence suggesting she (or her body) is reachable.

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    Angus

    It was bad to bring the whole issue into the public domain (to such a large degree [I believe]).

    If a person was holding the child (due to a kidnap [although this is not certainly the case]), would they not merely kill it (as they would know that many, many people were searching for the child)?

    I have never been interested in the issue.

    Angus Higgins

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    Minh

    W3bbo is seriously starting to creep me out... Tongue Out

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    W3bbo

    Minh wrote:
    W3bbo is seriously starting to creep me out...


    Definately, is it because:

    • I'm so good?
    • I'm so great?
    • I'm creepy?
    Pondering the last thought, I realised that using bullet-points is:

    • A very effective means of conveying information
    • Repetitive
    • A stark reminder of Death by PowerPoint

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    ManipUni

    Dead. Parents likely did it.

    But time will tell. But the chances of her being alive is like insanely small no matter how much money they spend looking.

    PS - Agree with the White+Blond etc comment above.

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    Dr Herbie

    Angus wrote:
    It was bad to bring the whole issue into the public domain (to such a large degree [I believe]).

    If a person was holding the child (due to a kidnap [although this is not certainly the case]), would they not merely kill it (as they would know that many, many people were searching for the child)?

    I have never been interested in the issue.

    Angus Higgins


    I think 'she' is the pronoun you are looking for : she was a person, not an object.

    Personally, I believed she was already dead from the moment I first heard the story.

    I also agree with W3bbo's 'white + middle class + pretty' comments : the media has always been bias about such things.


    It is every parent's nightmare and it makes my heart go cold whenever I think about it.


    Herbie


     

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    Sabot

    W3bbo wrote:
    She's either:

    • Dead
    • In a brothel in South East Asia
    • In a basement hideaway
    TBH I never really cared, her parents courted the media perfectly, the rest was easy, after all she's:

    • White
    • Blond
    • A child
    • Middle class
    • Not ugly
    A key formula, tying in perfectly with the Great Paedophile Scare of the early 00s.

    I doubt it'll ever be solved, her parents should give up now in lieu of any actual evidence suggesting she (or her body) is reachable.


    I think you missed the point and the titles the clue.

    It's the mystery of the story that is the biggest draw. It's the constant dripping of dribs and drabs of news as the story unfolds, with the gripping twists and turns.

    Race and Class are actually incident in this story. Media like to pander to stereotypes and love good visuals because it sells. Background has nothing to do with it, a cute kid is what it's all about, Damilola Taylor story proved that. 

    Just like putting Diana's picture on the cover of a paper, the little girl's picture now has the same effect.

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    Sven Groot

    W3bbo wrote:
    
    Minh wrote:
    W3bbo is seriously starting to creep me out...


    Definately, is it because:

    • I'm so good?
    • I'm so great?
    • I'm creepy?
    Pondering the last thought, I realised that using bullet-points is:

    • A very effective means of conveying information
    • Repetitive
    • A stark reminder of Death by PowerPoint


    Over-using bullet-points, while annoying, is still less annoying than that bracket-stuff that Angus insists on using despite half the people on this forum telling him it's stupid, pointless, confusing and difficult to read.

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    Rossj

    Interestingly you don't hear much about the kidnapped young american girl that the privately hired detectives found in Nortern Morocco whilst looking for Madeleine.

    It is too easy to assume she is not alive, when there is a wealth of evidence to suggest that lots of children *are* kidnapped each year.

    140,000 kids go missing in the UK each year.  Sure some of them of their own accord but not all.

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    W3bbo

    Rossj wrote:
    Interestingly you don't hear much about the kidnapped young american girl that the privately hired detectives found in Nortern Morocco whilst looking for Madeleine.


    Wait, what?

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    Rossj

    W3bbo wrote:
    
    Rossj wrote:
    Interestingly you don't hear much about the kidnapped young american girl that the privately hired detectives found in Nortern Morocco whilst looking for Madeleine.


    Wait, what?


    Following up reports of a blond kid, found an English speaking one that wasn't Madeleine. I know you think that the whole media frenzy is a little over the top, but it raises a bigger issue, and one that needs to be addressed - some kids *are* kidnapped.

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    Ray6

    W3bbo wrote:
    She's either:

    • Dead
    • In a brothel in South East Asia
    • In a basement hideaway


    The other possibility is that she has ended up with a some family and is being well cared for, even though she is being held illegally.

    W3bbo wrote:

    TBH I never really cared, her parents courted the media perfectly, the rest was easy, after all she's:

    • White
    • Blond
    • A child
    • Middle class
    • Not ugly


    All true. But I'm certainly not going to hold it against her parents using that to help find their kid.

    Lots of kids go missing like this and as RossJ has already said, any efforts to highlight this can only help.


    W3bbo wrote:

    I doubt it'll ever be solved, her parents should give up now in lieu of any actual evidence suggesting she (or her body) is reachable.


    Would I be correct in assuming that you are not a parent?

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    W3bbo

    Ray6 wrote:
    Would I be correct in assuming that you are not a parent?


    Correct, but you didn't assume far enough Wink I'm a total misanthrope. Smiley

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    blowdart

    Ray6 wrote:
    

    All true. But I'm certainly not going to hold it against her parents using that to help find their kid.



    But I do hold it against social services that they're too cowardly to intervene. If it had been some chav single mother than left her children in a room then went down the pub they'd have the other kids in care by now. But the McCanns, and their publicity courting stopped any notion of this.

    Ray6 wrote:
    
    Lots of kids go missing like this and as RossJ has already said, any efforts to highlight this can only help.


    It really hasn't.

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    W3bbo

    blowdart wrote:
    But I do hold it against social services that they're too cowardly to intervene. If it had been some chav single mother than left her children in a room then went down the pub they'd have the other kids in care by now. But the McCanns, and their publicity courting stopped any notion of this.


    The explanation offered by the McCanns was reasonable enough, they checked in on them every 15 minutes, it's not like they were under 2 and at risk of cot-death or anything.

    My parents said they did the same thing when I was at a similar age.

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    Rossj

    The parents behaviour was stupid and reckless, but I think they are suffering enough for their stupidity - do you not?

    Besides, the important thing is the fate of a small girl, not the parents.

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    blowdart

    W3bbo wrote:
    
    blowdart wrote:
    But I do hold it against social services that they're too cowardly to intervene. If it had been some chav single mother than left her children in a room then went down the pub they'd have the other kids in care by now. But the McCanns, and their publicity courting stopped any notion of this.


    The explanation offered by the McCanns was reasonable enough, they checked in on them every 15 minutes, it's not like they were under 2 and at risk of cot-death or anything


    Except they didn't. They lied to the spanish police about the frequency at first.

    And it's not reasonable to my mind when the hotel had a baby sitting service.

    And anyone that asks haven't they been punished enough? Really? So if, for example, a mugger breaks a leg whilst beating someone about the head, well, let's let them off?

    It's not even about them; it's about the two other kids. As I said before if there wasn't a media circus and they weren't middle class the other kids would have been in care by now. And with good reason.

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