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    stephbu

    Hehe that *was* a blast from the past...

    http://stephbu.homedns.org/images/hmold.gif 

    Thinking back it was around late 1995-1996 when they started.  I'd joined MSN a few months earlier.

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    Jorgie

    That is a bunch of bull. Scanning your email for targeted advertisements is not any more of an invasion of privacy then when HoTMaiL (or any other service) scans your email looking for SPAM.

    As long as they are true to their word and do not record/sell info about what ads they showed you, they are not invading your privacy.

    Jorgie

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    Shining Arcanine

    1GB email accounts that are fully searchable is something I would have expected from Microsoft.

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    ktegels

    dpen2000 wrote:
    Okay one very simple question to start with: How come to get to a message I click on the name of the sender? Isn't it more logical to attach the link to the subject field?

    Some ones related to the urls:
    1. Why is hotmail spelt HoTMaiL in the url as in hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/HoTMaiL?curmbox= ?


    I'm guessing, but HoTMaiL used to not be owned by Microsoft. It was one of the first big-time services to offer an HTML based interface to your mail. Ala SoftQuad's HoTMetaL HTML editor.

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    Catatonic

    Here is what looks like Hotmail's first press release. I tried to find a "HoTMaiL" logo, but no such luck.
    http://www2.ctcnet.org/lists/members97/0089.htm

    Also it is mentioned here:
    http://www.knowledgeway.org/news/96stories/new9607.html#hotmail

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    Catatonic

    Hold the phone, I finally found the original "HoTMaiL" logo that I was thinking of. A Google Image search for "hotmail.gif" turned it up. I think this logo was only in use for a couple of months.

    http://www.suck.com/daily/96/07/30/daily.html
    http://www.dirtroad.com/mac.htm

    This is the best one but you have to copy & paste the address since the server doesn't allow direct linking.
    http://hem.passagen.se/talen/HOTMAIL.GIF

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    Jeremy W

    Wow, that's impressive. I'd never seen that. Here was me thinking I was all cutting edge, and I missed out on one whole logo iteration!

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    eddwo

    Interesting stuff about the hotmail founders on this page.


    http://web.archive.org/web/19970427173759/www.hotmail.com/about.html


    Read about the problems encountered in the transition to running on Windows Servers here.

    http://www.securityoffice.net/mssecrets/hotmail.html

    Or go here for the Official Story

    http://www.microsoft.com/technet/itsolutions/migration/case/hotmail/hotplan.mspx


    Does anyone know how much MS paid to take it over?
    How many Current/Unused accounts are registered?


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    chuawenching

    Just curious, had microsoft fixed the hotmail verizon bug? Any idea?

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    paulcam

    Most of the complaints I've heard center more around the fact that GMail and Google use the same cookies. The concern is that Google will be able to link email to search habits.

    Here's a couple articles:

    http://www.boingboing.net/2004/04/15/eff_guide_to_gmail_p.html
    http://www.boingboing.net/2004/04/10/eff_on_gmail.html

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    innes

    Knute wrote:
    I am not sure what benefit this would be for Microsoft to follow this path. Do you think they are concerned with people leaving their free service for someone elses free service? I imagine that if GMAIL or this spymac company offered a competing ISP product like MSN 9 then they might follow along.

    I don't really see these other services as a threat to Hotmail or MSN.

    ~ Knute


    There's a pay version of hotmail with a storage limit approximating to zero wrt gmail.
    Do you think perhaps gmail mightn't lure people away from that?

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    innes

    Knute wrote:

    You get 1GB from Google so they can invade your privacy... Read the fine print. What they intend to do is monitor your inbox and target advertisements based on the content of your email.
    ~ Knute


    Sorry but at the risk of being rude, this is dumb. I can forgive this kind of stuff from non-technical sources, but this is a technical forum.

    Questions: Do you worry about your virus checker software 'monitoring' files on your PC? Do you feel that's an invasion of privacy?

    Google are talking about computer programs processing your email, not humans. They promise this in their blurb.

    Now the question becomes do you trust google to be true to their word? If not, then it's irrelevant what they do with your email in terms of fancy ad placement - if they're not trustworthy they could just decide to read it anyway.

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    eddwo

    I wouldn't mind GMail so much so long as adds are only shown based on the content of a specific email, its the idea of building up a profile over time that I'm a bit concerned about. With google going public you can no longer be sure what company policy will become if the share price starts to fall, they might start selling out the profiles to the highest bidder.
    The safest thing would be for Google not to try to generate profiles, certainly not tied to seach queries, but just judge each mail individually

    Add to that the fact that the Government can now request all the information a business stores about you without even having to show due process. You may think that "I've never done anything wrong, so why should I have anything to fear?", but can you be sure that you've never sent or received a mail that might be seen as a voice of dissent by some future more authoritarian Government?


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