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What caused the extreme negative image of Vista?

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    rhm

    Of course a lot of what people say about Vista is based on nothing but hearsay, same as all previous versions of Windows. If you listened to what people write online you'd think Windows got worse in every version. If that was the case we'd all still be using 3.1.

    But from someone who paid for Vista Ultimate and has had it on the main home PC for over 2 years, I can tell you it has more than a few faults:

    • Driver imcompatability with XP (was that really necessary?) meant a lot of peripherals had to be junked.
    • Good quality drivers for even then-current hardware weren't available until 6 months after Vista's release despite Longhorn being CTP'd and beta'd for *years* (not really Microsoft's fault, but it didn't help).
    • Still not as stable as XP was after years of patches. I have a quad core machine and a single application can freeze the machine for seconds at a time by accessing the DVD drive.
    • Majority of games released before Vista are incompatible (and quite a few released after for that matter). God knows why. I just don't buy PC games any more, it's just not worth the hassle.
    • Really poor usabillty changes to the shell.
    • Crap included applications as usual (how come Apple can afford to bundle the excellent iLife suite with Mac's and Microsoft can provide *anything* useful with Windows?)
    • Vista Ultimate Extras debacle.

     

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    wastingtime​withforums

    "Windows 7 is different. It actually feels faster. Things seem snappier"

    It's is a bit snappier, but not to that extend that warrants such rejoycing. I get the feeling as if many people who test Windows 7 never have used Vista after february 2007 or never bothered to install SP1 and the other updates.

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    LCARSNxG:

    Agreed, although people who can't reinstall windows usualy can't install Linux too, so this rule applies only to OSX (preconfigured Mac machines of course, not some hacked version)

    By the way, I think Linux is perceived only as better because of rumors. The ubuntu testimonials forum is not really a happy place:

    http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1136106
    http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1140855
    http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1133336
    http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1141426
    http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=997919
    http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1139592
    http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1139572
    http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1143729
    http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1150169
    http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1138706
    http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1064810
    http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=837019
    http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1129991

    I hold the opinion that Linux is the best thing that happened to Microsoft EVER. Of all the competitors Microsoft had - Amiga OS, OS/2, DR DOS... Linux has the most fanatical following AND is the most inferior (for home users) - a dream combination! MS could have been very well be dust today if, say, Amiga OS in it's day had that much free propaganda that Linux gets now.

    No other thing than Linux shows Windows users that the saying "the grass is greener on the other side" [but in reality it's not] is true.


    LCARS:

    "

    "I wish Microsoft could do something about this problem but I don't see what they could do about it."

    Giving OEM's better discounts if they won't install crapware?

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    AndyC

    wastingtimewithforums said:

    "Windows 7 is different. It actually feels faster. Things seem snappier"

    It's is a bit snappier, but not to that extend that warrants such rejoycing. I get the feeling as if many people who test Windows 7 never have used Vista after february 2007 or never bothered to install SP1 and the other updates.

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    LCARSNxG:

    Agreed, although people who can't reinstall windows usualy can't install Linux too, so this rule applies only to OSX (preconfigured Mac machines of course, not some hacked version)

    By the way, I think Linux is perceived only as better because of rumors. The ubuntu testimonials forum is not really a happy place:

    http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1136106
    http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1140855
    http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1133336
    http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1141426
    http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=997919
    http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1139592
    http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1139572
    http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1143729
    http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1150169
    http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1138706
    http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1064810
    http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=837019
    http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1129991

    I hold the opinion that Linux is the best thing that happened to Microsoft EVER. Of all the competitors Microsoft had - Amiga OS, OS/2, DR DOS... Linux has the most fanatical following AND is the most inferior (for home users) - a dream combination! MS could have been very well be dust today if, say, Amiga OS in it's day had that much free propaganda that Linux gets now.

    No other thing than Linux shows Windows users that the saying "the grass is greener on the other side" [but in reality it's not] is true.


    LCARS:

    "

    "I wish Microsoft could do something about this problem but I don't see what they could do about it."

    Giving OEM's better discounts if they won't install crapware?

    wastingtimewithforums said:
    It's is a bit snappier, but not to that extend that warrants such rejoycing. I get the feeling as if many people who test Windows 7 never have used Vista after february 2007 or never bothered to install SP1 and the other updates

    I use Vista every day at work on a decent spec machine (8GB, Quad Core, ATi HD3450 graphics card) and even with SP2 installed it still doesn't feel as fast as Windows 7 does on identical hardware. I'm not suggesting that Vista is slow, it isn't, but there is a undeniable sense of improved performance in Windows 7 and that can only be a good thing.

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    GoddersUK

    rhm said:

    Of course a lot of what people say about Vista is based on nothing but hearsay, same as all previous versions of Windows. If you listened to what people write online you'd think Windows got worse in every version. If that was the case we'd all still be using 3.1.

    But from someone who paid for Vista Ultimate and has had it on the main home PC for over 2 years, I can tell you it has more than a few faults:

    • Driver imcompatability with XP (was that really necessary?) meant a lot of peripherals had to be junked.
    • Good quality drivers for even then-current hardware weren't available until 6 months after Vista's release despite Longhorn being CTP'd and beta'd for *years* (not really Microsoft's fault, but it didn't help).
    • Still not as stable as XP was after years of patches. I have a quad core machine and a single application can freeze the machine for seconds at a time by accessing the DVD drive.
    • Majority of games released before Vista are incompatible (and quite a few released after for that matter). God knows why. I just don't buy PC games any more, it's just not worth the hassle.
    • Really poor usabillty changes to the shell.
    • Crap included applications as usual (how come Apple can afford to bundle the excellent iLife suite with Mac's and Microsoft can provide *anything* useful with Windows?)
    • Vista Ultimate Extras debacle.

     

    This must be luck of the draw, because I've not had problems getting even obscure prefiferals to run on Vista, my Vista machine is at least as stable as my XP machine (though they're both fairly crap, I know it's what I do to them and only the fault of download.com et al).

    And interestingly all of the older games I've tried have worked (even those that say they don't) - although there is some bad behaviour with one or two. That said I've only tried a small number of my older games.

    And MS can't include decent applications because they'd be anti-trusted. They've been done for media player and IE is in the works... think what would happen if they bundled even a semi-decent office suite (such as works). I'm just waiting for an anti-trust case over calculator now.

    And a note on bloatware: While toolbars, av trials etc.  earn the OEMs money WTF do they all feel the need to produce their only completely useless, broken, wifi management utilities when Windows does it fine? Why? And it's not just WiFi, on my laptop Acer had added all kinds of crap that I can't imagine anyone pays them to load that replaces perfectly decent features built into Windows.

    Grrr...

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    Bas

    GoddersUK said:
    Koogle said:
    *snip*

    That's a nice piece of Ad hominem you've got going there.

    Care to come back after taking critical thinking classes?

    Here, a ticket to bliss:

    .user_koogle .content
    {
    display:none;
    }

    It's amazing how it brightens up the Coffeehouse!

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    Yeff

    I remember really liking Outlook 98 after moving from Eudora so much that I paid for Outlook 2000 as soon as it came out.  I realized there were real security issues with the product but I was technically proficient enough to avoid them.  At the same time I was constantly trying to teach family and friends safe email procedures while using an unsafe product myself.

    I finally came to the decision that, despite my like of O2K, I needed to change to something else before I could credibly give advice.  The way I went about it was to download an email program and set it not to delete mail off the server.  I'd use the client while occasionally firing up Outlook to clean up the server.

    The teething pains were horrible.  Outlook did things one way while ClientX did it differently!  Why couldn't ClientX do it the same way?  Then I'd start to see some of the advantages to ClientX over O2K.  I'd use ClientX for a week before switching to ClientX2 and starting over.

    It finally came down to the highly regarded "The Bat!" and a Japanese program I'd learned of called "Becky! Internet Mail".  I really wanted to like TB! but Becky! just seemed to fit me better.  I decided to stick with Becky! for the 30-day trial before going back to O2K to see how it felt.

    Outlook just felt old and clunky and I couldn't do quite a bit of the sophisticated filtering I could do with Becky!  I was sure (still am) that Outlook is perfect for what it's designed for but it just didn't fit me after using different clients for awhile.

    Then I became a beta tester for Vista (got my invite from here on Channel 9) and immediately ran into problems.  Some of my favorite programs just wouldn't work and things felt out of place.  Slow, too.  Real slow.  I uninstalled for awhile and then reinstalled a newer release.  Much better experience with program compatibility, it seemed a bit faster, but there were still those annoying UI changes that bugged me.  I uninstalled again.

    Another build and another install.  Things felt even better but the UI... sigh.  And then I remembered my experience with moving away from Outlook 2000.  If I couldn't stick with the change for a bit how could I truly evaluate it?  I settled in and forced myself to use Vista, warts and all.

    I eventually got a new hardrive (SATA) and stuck it in this box and installed XP Pro.  Yech!

    I knew where everything was on XP and how everything worked.  There just seemed to be something missing that I couldn't quite put my finger on and it wasn't the eye-candy.  Things just seemed to be better over on Vista.  Smoother and smarter once you tweaked things to your liking.  I immediately went back to the Vista beta and used it ever since.  Whenever I'm on an XP machine things just didn't feel right.

    Then the Windows 7 beta came out and now the RC.  I felt right at home with W7, obviously from using Vista.  I ended up having a problem I thought was the beta but it turned out to be hardware related.  Before I was sure of that I reloaded Vista... and realized something was missing.  It didn't feel as smooth and polished as Windows 7.  I didn't feel as comfortable there.  XP now feels even worse

    There's been a lot of talk of Windows 7 being Vista SP3 but I'm not seeing it.  This is a newer, better OS and I won't be going back to Vista.

    One last thing, and this has bothered me.  When asked why a person should change from XP to Vista I could never put my finger on the one thing.  There were just so many small improvements everywhere that once you gave them a chance you would notice them missing from XP.

    So I told people not to upgrade from XP until they bought a new computer and to then just jump in with both feet.  I'll now say the same thing - if you're really comfortable in Vista then don't upgrade unless you're a geek (me!) or buying a new computer.

    And then jump in with both feet and don't look back.

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    sysrpl

    To answer the OP's question, when Vista first came out...

    Network file copy ws completely broken. It would take forever to copy large files with every system I tried.

    My USB peripherals and my Sound Blaster Live PCI card plain did not work. One computer I have with a nForce chipset, a 2Ghz CPU, and 1GB of RAM refused to run Vista.

    UAC was overly annoying. Some important (to me) software programs didn't work when it was on. Some important (to me) software features didn't work at all. (QuickBooks QBXML interop for example).

    Little things annoyed the hell out of me. I don't like the breadcrumb metaphor extended into explorer the way that it was. I did not lke the breadcrub path bar. I liked to see and edit the full pah always. I liked being able to press backspace to go "up" a folder and was annoyed that backspace now went up. I was annoyed that you can no longer easily change file type icons. The control panel was a mess in my opinion, you know ... moving away from applets with dialogs that had property sheets towards a "web like" explorer view. Not good IMO.

    The Windows theme API introduced in XP was depricated for no good reason.

    In general, Vista ran slower and hardware drivers were unstable. I believe Microsoft is partly at fault for this for changing the driver model quickly a few times leading up to the release of Vista, pulling the rug out from under hardware vendors causing them to lose confidence and dollars chasing Microsoft's changing dates.

    There was also the whole Vista Capable Intel IGP fiasco.

    Most importantly, Vista offered people little to no benefits over XP. In most cases it was beneficial to stick with XP, as you could be reasonably sure all hardware and software would work with it, whereas with Vista it was questionable.

    I could go on, but  think you get the idea. I had complaints and XP was good enough. It took six years for Microsof to develop a new consumer OS (XP to Vista) that I (and I'm sure a lot of other people) didn't care for. Six years is a log time to wait for a disappointment, and being a developer, I was quite upset with Microsoft for stymying progress (again, as I saw it).

    Cheers

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    Evil SEO

    What caused the negative Vista image? Maybe you can start from the longhorn videos that portrait something entirely different instead of that slow P(OS) with so many broken features (Resolution independence? Broken (the sidebar misbehaves, IE7 requires an obscure registry key to do proper scaling or all the pages look completely messed up...). Firewall? Broken (if you have ONLY 1 public connection all sharings are turned off on ALL connections? WTF design is that?). Higher performance with DX10? Can't still see a faster game. The new audio architecture? Broken (audio skipping, network throughput dropping while playing audio, unbelievably high CPU usage of WMP while playing content because of the protected pipeline DRM cr*p...). The new TCP/IP stack? Broken (how many routers is Vista incompatible with? And don't blame the routers for these stupid useless tcp/ip settings Microsoft forced that you can't even disable without obscure command-line commands). The new Explorer? Ultra-broken. Desktop Search? Can't count the times I had to delete the index. The new Windows Update? Can't count the time updates and even service packs failed to install and rollbacked. and the list could go on and on...) and plenty of bugs (how many cumulative reliability packs in just 2 years? a dozen?). Not to mention the many consumer-screwing marketing choices you could even write a top 10 about.

    Vista IS the worst OS microsoft released, not ME. ME had its problems most of which were caused by bad drivers but Vista... Vista is really, really bad by itself even when you don't count the amazing number of bad drivers that were and still are released for it (the hard drive of one of my laptops that has a stupid nforce 410 controller just got corrupted for the nth-time (BSOD + chkdsk finding tons of errors at reboot), thank you nVidia drivers) just 1 day ago.

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    wastingtime​withforums

    Evil SEO said:

    What caused the negative Vista image? Maybe you can start from the longhorn videos that portrait something entirely different instead of that slow P(OS) with so many broken features (Resolution independence? Broken (the sidebar misbehaves, IE7 requires an obscure registry key to do proper scaling or all the pages look completely messed up...). Firewall? Broken (if you have ONLY 1 public connection all sharings are turned off on ALL connections? WTF design is that?). Higher performance with DX10? Can't still see a faster game. The new audio architecture? Broken (audio skipping, network throughput dropping while playing audio, unbelievably high CPU usage of WMP while playing content because of the protected pipeline DRM cr*p...). The new TCP/IP stack? Broken (how many routers is Vista incompatible with? And don't blame the routers for these stupid useless tcp/ip settings Microsoft forced that you can't even disable without obscure command-line commands). The new Explorer? Ultra-broken. Desktop Search? Can't count the times I had to delete the index. The new Windows Update? Can't count the time updates and even service packs failed to install and rollbacked. and the list could go on and on...) and plenty of bugs (how many cumulative reliability packs in just 2 years? a dozen?). Not to mention the many consumer-screwing marketing choices you could even write a top 10 about.

    Vista IS the worst OS microsoft released, not ME. ME had its problems most of which were caused by bad drivers but Vista... Vista is really, really bad by itself even when you don't count the amazing number of bad drivers that were and still are released for it (the hard drive of one of my laptops that has a stupid nforce 410 controller just got corrupted for the nth-time (BSOD + chkdsk finding tons of errors at reboot), thank you nVidia drivers) just 1 day ago.

    Now aside the fact, that I have no problems with routers or high CPU usage with WMP, Windows Update or audio skipping...

    What's so great about that longhorn video?  That's something I never got. The redeeming GUI features of the OS that is featured in that video seem to be flying pictures in the explorer and flashy effects.

    I don't see the fascination with it, sorry. A decent programmer could copy that effects within a month with WPF. I am glad they didn't went THAT over the top route, if I want flashy, I can always get Linux with Enlightment.

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    bureX

    The biggest cause of the negative image that portrayed Vista is exactly the post above me (Evil SEO). FUD, plain and simple.

    I actually received a remark when a colleague of mine saw that I was running Vista on my mobile pc... "I heard it sucks really badly" - he said... "have you even tried it?" - I asked... "NO" - was the simple answer, and the usual "I don't even want to try it because it's so slow" suffix came shortly after. I even had a really extreme case where an accquaintance of mine smashed his Vista DVD because he installed it on his old PC, and shortly afterwards, his 80GB PornWarehouse Maxtor HDD (which he carries around everywhere in a rack, whether it's hot or cold, dry or humid) died on him... he actually blamed Vista for it's "sudden failure" because a friend of his told him that "Vista probably broke it"...

    Of course, Apple's tendencies to jump aboard the train and kick Microsoft while it's down didn't help too much either...

    PS: I call the "ME > Vista" claim to be such a retarded statement that even a wet door knob would probably get the answer right...

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    wastingtime​withforums

    bureX said:

    The biggest cause of the negative image that portrayed Vista is exactly the post above me (Evil SEO). FUD, plain and simple.

    I actually received a remark when a colleague of mine saw that I was running Vista on my mobile pc... "I heard it sucks really badly" - he said... "have you even tried it?" - I asked... "NO" - was the simple answer, and the usual "I don't even want to try it because it's so slow" suffix came shortly after. I even had a really extreme case where an accquaintance of mine smashed his Vista DVD because he installed it on his old PC, and shortly afterwards, his 80GB PornWarehouse Maxtor HDD (which he carries around everywhere in a rack, whether it's hot or cold, dry or humid) died on him... he actually blamed Vista for it's "sudden failure" because a friend of his told him that "Vista probably broke it"...

    Of course, Apple's tendencies to jump aboard the train and kick Microsoft while it's down didn't help too much either...

    PS: I call the "ME > Vista" claim to be such a retarded statement that even a wet door knob would probably get the answer right...

    "I even had a really extreme case where an accquaintance of mine smashed his Vista DVD because he installed it on his old PC"

    Wow, sounds like a nice story. Why did he install it in the first place?

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    bureX

    By "nice story" I sure hope you don't mean "cool story bro" Wink

    Seriously, it's a true story... He's not the brightest bulb in the ceiling lamp, and he's currently 19yrs old, which is supposed to be... hm... an age where you act responsibly and rationally. Or not. He installed it because he's a "the bigger the application version is, the cooler I become" type, and he wanted to try it out on his secondary "portable" drive... obviously he liked it, but then again, Vista didn't like him and fried his poor old overheating and crackling HDD (I had a chance to hear it), along with all his Mariah Carey wallpapers... what a shame... Oh, and by the way, he didn't actually tell me about it, but his mom made sure I knew about it since she was worried that I would too fall victim to the dreadfull product that spells out Wee Vee.

    Note: We're talking about a guy who ripped his whole telephone cable out (along with the wall socket) because he thought he was in the process of being infected by a computer virus and that disconnecting the phone cable would solve the problem (actually, a burnt fuse made his PC shutdown, but he obviously didn't realize that almost every light in the house went out from all the panic).

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    magicalclick

    bureX said:

    By "nice story" I sure hope you don't mean "cool story bro" Wink

    Seriously, it's a true story... He's not the brightest bulb in the ceiling lamp, and he's currently 19yrs old, which is supposed to be... hm... an age where you act responsibly and rationally. Or not. He installed it because he's a "the bigger the application version is, the cooler I become" type, and he wanted to try it out on his secondary "portable" drive... obviously he liked it, but then again, Vista didn't like him and fried his poor old overheating and crackling HDD (I had a chance to hear it), along with all his Mariah Carey wallpapers... what a shame... Oh, and by the way, he didn't actually tell me about it, but his mom made sure I knew about it since she was worried that I would too fall victim to the dreadfull product that spells out Wee Vee.

    Note: We're talking about a guy who ripped his whole telephone cable out (along with the wall socket) because he thought he was in the process of being infected by a computer virus and that disconnecting the phone cable would solve the problem (actually, a burnt fuse made his PC shutdown, but he obviously didn't realize that almost every light in the house went out from all the panic).

    Mostly just brain washing.

    Leaving WM on 5/2018 if no apps, no dedicated billboards where I drive, no Store name.
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    elmer

    bureX said:

    By "nice story" I sure hope you don't mean "cool story bro" Wink

    Seriously, it's a true story... He's not the brightest bulb in the ceiling lamp, and he's currently 19yrs old, which is supposed to be... hm... an age where you act responsibly and rationally. Or not. He installed it because he's a "the bigger the application version is, the cooler I become" type, and he wanted to try it out on his secondary "portable" drive... obviously he liked it, but then again, Vista didn't like him and fried his poor old overheating and crackling HDD (I had a chance to hear it), along with all his Mariah Carey wallpapers... what a shame... Oh, and by the way, he didn't actually tell me about it, but his mom made sure I knew about it since she was worried that I would too fall victim to the dreadfull product that spells out Wee Vee.

    Note: We're talking about a guy who ripped his whole telephone cable out (along with the wall socket) because he thought he was in the process of being infected by a computer virus and that disconnecting the phone cable would solve the problem (actually, a burnt fuse made his PC shutdown, but he obviously didn't realize that almost every light in the house went out from all the panic).

    he's currently 19yrs old, which is supposed to be... hm... an age where you act responsibly and rationally

    That's still a child in my view. I know that most countries define adult as 18, and will send them to die for their country at that age, but research has shown male brains are still growing until as late as 25, with females a few years earlier... and that until they stop growing, you are still in the "crazy" stage of adolescence with hormones screwing up your thinking.

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    Evil SEO

    "Now aside the fact, that I have no problems with routers or"

    Many users had to upgrade the firmware of their routers or replace them (if unsupported) because of Vista autotuning (there was even an article on slashdot about a full provider having that issue), because Vista requires a special non-standard OPTIONAL DHCP flag that many routers don't support to get an IP address. Sources: (1) (2) (3)...

    "Windows Update"

    lucky.

    "high CPU usage with WMP" "or audio skipping..."

    Because you have a core2duo, try on a slower machine (like an Atom-based UMPC) to play a video on WMP both on XP and on Vista and you'll see an huge speed difference, it's so huge that even putting the mouse over a tooltip could make the video skip (there's even a funny KB about the issue on Microsoft's website. Solution? Don't move the mouse while playing...).

    "What's so great about that longhorn video?  That's something I never got. The redeeming GUI features of the OS that is featured in that video seem to be flying pictures in the explorer and flashy effects."

    Longhorn was set to be released 3 years before Vista and was planned to have major changes not just in the UI but Microsoft decided to do a "reset" of Longhorn development because they couldn't finish it in time and all people got was an OS with a superficially pretty UI where many features were delayed, cut or just left half broken because even after the reset they had to rush to avoid releasing something outdated. That video is not so amazing according to today's standard but it was really astonishing in 2002-2003. Vista was really too little and too late and the high hardware requirements, bugs, missing drivers and that resident unfinished feel certainly didn't help its image.

    "The biggest cause of the negative image that portrayed Vista is exactly the post above me (Evil SEO). FUD, plain and simple."

    If mine's FUD yours is plain ignorance. Come here and counter all of my points, if you can. I can find plenty of news or forum posts that prove that a lot of people had those issues, can you prove the opposite? I dare you, counter all of my arguments properly, then, and only then, you could call them FUD. Come on! Don't be scared! I'm waiting..

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    Sven Groot

    The fact that a lot of PCs sold with Vista weren't really capable of running it didn't help either.

    A few weeks ago I helped set up a wireless network in my friend's new apartment. She had a laptop with Vista Home Basic, and it was horrendously slow. Fortunately she seemed to be smart enough to blame her laptop at least as much as Vista.

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    sysrpl

    Evil SEO said:

    "Now aside the fact, that I have no problems with routers or"

    Many users had to upgrade the firmware of their routers or replace them (if unsupported) because of Vista autotuning (there was even an article on slashdot about a full provider having that issue), because Vista requires a special non-standard OPTIONAL DHCP flag that many routers don't support to get an IP address. Sources: (1) (2) (3)...

    "Windows Update"

    lucky.

    "high CPU usage with WMP" "or audio skipping..."

    Because you have a core2duo, try on a slower machine (like an Atom-based UMPC) to play a video on WMP both on XP and on Vista and you'll see an huge speed difference, it's so huge that even putting the mouse over a tooltip could make the video skip (there's even a funny KB about the issue on Microsoft's website. Solution? Don't move the mouse while playing...).

    "What's so great about that longhorn video?  That's something I never got. The redeeming GUI features of the OS that is featured in that video seem to be flying pictures in the explorer and flashy effects."

    Longhorn was set to be released 3 years before Vista and was planned to have major changes not just in the UI but Microsoft decided to do a "reset" of Longhorn development because they couldn't finish it in time and all people got was an OS with a superficially pretty UI where many features were delayed, cut or just left half broken because even after the reset they had to rush to avoid releasing something outdated. That video is not so amazing according to today's standard but it was really astonishing in 2002-2003. Vista was really too little and too late and the high hardware requirements, bugs, missing drivers and that resident unfinished feel certainly didn't help its image.

    "The biggest cause of the negative image that portrayed Vista is exactly the post above me (Evil SEO). FUD, plain and simple."

    If mine's FUD yours is plain ignorance. Come here and counter all of my points, if you can. I can find plenty of news or forum posts that prove that a lot of people had those issues, can you prove the opposite? I dare you, counter all of my arguments properly, then, and only then, you could call them FUD. Come on! Don't be scared! I'm waiting..

    Evil SEO, you make some good points backed up by facts. Too bad many of the people simply dismiss your points as FUD. There has to be a word for it, something like fanboism. People can become so enamored with a thing it almost becomes a religious quest for them to defend or promote it, acting on feelings (or faith in the case of religion) rather than looking at facts. It's somewhat sad actually.

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    brian.​shapiro

    sysrpl said:
    Evil SEO said:
    *snip*

    Evil SEO, you make some good points backed up by facts. Too bad many of the people simply dismiss your points as FUD. There has to be a word for it, something like fanboism. People can become so enamored with a thing it almost becomes a religious quest for them to defend or promote it, acting on feelings (or faith in the case of religion) rather than looking at facts. It's somewhat sad actually.

    I'm sorry, I used Vista every day on a 2GB machine I bought a year before Vista was out and performance didn't bother me at all. I just got really tired of people telling me I should hate it and think it was crap.

    I hear Vista ran terribly on netbooks and UMPCs, so EvilSEO is right that Vista sucks, if you're running a UMPC.

    Most people like the breadcrumb bar, most people aren't interested in deleting the search index. The largest problem with search in Vista is that aside from the Start menu, Microsoft failed to make it very accessible to users. Most people would have never found features like stacks and automatic filtering because they wouldn't be looking for them. The search form in Explorer was also very limited.

    Again, I'm not a fanboy, I was just enjoying the features in Vista and got tired of people telling me I should hate it.

     

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