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What's with Hotmail?

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    Michael Griffiths

    I'm kind of curious about what's happening with Hotmail. There's increased competition, and Yahoo! Mail has long been acknolwedged as far better. Gmail is great, but can't compete on features with either.

    What blogs are written by MSN Hotmail developers?

    Also: anyone think/know if Hotmail will be re-done in AJAX?

    And: I notice several basic things in Hotmail are missing - subfolders, for example. Given Microsoft has Outlook, why isn't it leveraging more of that technology to make the best online service? I know Exchange has Outlook Live, but Hotmail hasn't been updated in ...long time.

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    scobleizer

    The Hotmail team is hard at work.

    Omar Shahine is on the Hotmail front-door team and he has a blog. He's also been on Channel 9. We'll visit him again soon.

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    W3bbo

    scobleizer wrote:

    The Hotmail team is hard at work.

    Omar Shahine is on the Hotmail front-door team and he has a blog. He's also been on Channel 9. We'll visit him again soon.



    I would like to know why Hotmail still (or appears to be) using CGI.

    In this day and age... why arn't they using pure ISAPI like eBay?

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    gman

    hard at work DOING WHAT?

    I wish I could be "hard at work" getting paid and releasing nothing

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    Michael Griffiths

    scobleizer wrote:

    Omar Shahine is on the Hotmail front-door team and he has a blog. He's also been on Channel 9. We'll visit him again soon.



    Yeah.. I have him.

    But no one else.

    On a side note: can someone please fix the MSNSearch Team Blog? It's a disaster.

    I'd like a Hotmail Team Blog that actually worked, though.

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    jonathanh

    Michael Griffiths wrote:
    On a side note: can someone please fix the MSNSearch Team Blog? It's a disaster.
    What's disastrous about it?

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    Michael Griffiths

    jonathanh wrote:
    Michael Griffiths wrote: On a side note: can someone please fix the MSNSearch Team Blog? It's a disaster.
    What's disastrous about it?


    Personal opinion Smiley

    It's used mainly for press releases, like the Google blog, as opposed to something actually useful. The Yahoo! Search Blog is far better than either, though it could (naturally) use improvement.

    For example, I'd like to see posts when a competitor comes out with a new product or service - treating it as a one-way communication channel focused entirely on MSN Search and not MSN Search within the industry is ...antiquated and really rather boring.

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    jonathanh

    Michael Griffiths wrote:
    Personal opinion

    It's used mainly for press releases, like the Google blog, as opposed to something actually useful. The Yahoo! Search Blog is far better than either, though it could (naturally) use improvement.

    For example, I'd like to see posts when a competitor comes out with a new product or service - treating it as a one-way communication channel focused entirely on MSN Search and not MSN Search within the industry is ...antiquated and really rather boring.
    I suspect that's a typical pitfall of a team blog - when there's shared ownership there's a natural tendency not to want to say anything that could be seen as controversial. Much easier to be interesting when it's just one person blogging, way out on a limb...

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    Michael Griffiths

    jonathanh wrote:
    I suspect that's a typical pitfall of a team blog - when there's shared ownership there's a natural tendency not to want to say anything that could be seen as controversial. Much easier to be interesting when it's just one person blogging, way out on a limb...


    True, it probably is.

    Still, Yahoo! does rather well - not as well as I'd like, but way ahead of either Google or MSN.

    In some respects, it can be more damaging than not having a blog at all.

    But probably not. Still; something to think about. If you're not going to use your blog, then it's better not to have a blog at all.

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    scobleizer

    Michael: I agree with you.

    But I don't like team blogs. I don't even like the Microsoft sponsored blogs. I far prefer decentralized communities.

    Even Channel 9 is too centralized for me. It's why I post most of my wacky thoughts on my blog rather than here.

    When I post here I feel I'm speaking on behalf of other people and I am far less likely to take many risks.

    On my personal blog, though, I might get fired for something I write but at least I don't think I'd be able to take other people along with me like if I posted something wacky here.

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    scobleizer

    gman: here's a video of what the Hotmail team has been working on.

    Upgrading hundreds of millions of people isn't easy. You should try it sometime.

    http://channel9.msdn.com/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=39016#39016

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    fnthawar

    I'm confused as to why you would write that Gmail can't compete with either?  I'd say Gmail is light years ahead of both.  (Disclaimer: I haven't used Hotmail or Yahoo since I started using Gmail so perhaps they have implemented some of these features now)

    Why?
    - Google searching all your mail
    - labels (not folders for marking your messages)
    - inline spell checking
    - auto-complete of addresses
    - free forwarding and POP access
    - auto-refresh of your inbox to see new mail
    - threaded view of your messages

    Farhan

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    MasterPi

    I have yet to see why deleting a message could cause so much of a problem.  The whole concept of never having to throw any mail out baffles me.

    mVPstar

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    Stitch 2.0

    mVPstar wrote:
    I have yet to see why deleting a message could cause so much of a problem.  The whole concept of never having to throw any mail out baffles me.

    mVPstar


    Let me give you an example:

    A couple of months ago, I ordered a webspace. The account details were sendt to me by email.

    Some days ago, when I finally wanted to use that webspace, all details were gone, since I had re-installed windows in the meantime and forgot to back-up my mail files. Since my old provider didn't allow to keep copies of the mails on the server, when fetched via POP3, all my mails were gone.....
    It took me 3 days to get the details one more time from the provider.


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    MasterPi

    That's because your provider didn't allow for copies to be kept.

    Most providers allow you to keep messages.

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    W3bbo

    One of the issues with hotmail is HCI. Its far too cluttered compared to GMail.

    Granted, it's more aesthetically pleasing than it used to be, but there's still plenty of room for improvement.

    Hint: Get rid of all the animated GIF adverts!

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    Michael Griffiths

    fnthawar wrote:
    I'm confused as to why you would write that Gmail can't compete with either?  I'd say Gmail is light years ahead of both.  (Disclaimer: I haven't used Hotmail or Yahoo since I started using Gmail so perhaps they have implemented some of these features now)

    Why?
    - Google searching all your mail
    - labels (not folders for marking your messages)
    - inline spell checking
    - auto-complete of addresses
    - free forwarding and POP access
    - auto-refresh of your inbox to see new mail
    - threaded view of your messages

    Farhan


    Gmail is far better than Hotmail.

    I don't think you quite grasped what I said Wink

    Michael Griffiths wrote:
    Gmail is great, but can't compete on features with either.


    Gmail has a very, very good interface - but it doesn't offer calenders, tasks, reminders, etc. Which both Yahoo! and Hotmail do.

    Plus. both Yahoo! Mail and Hotmail can sync with Outlook (if you're a premium suscriber), which is a very nice feature.

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    W3bbo

    Michael Griffiths wrote:
    Gmail has a very, very good interface - but it doesn't offer calenders, tasks, reminders, etc. Which both Yahoo! and Hotmail do.

    Plus. both Yahoo! Mail and Hotmail can sync with Outlook (if you're a premium suscriber), which is a very nice feature.


    Outlook Web Access does ALL of this and with an intuitive user-interface.. why are you neglecting it, especilly since it's a Microsoft product Wink

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