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    blowdart

    It's the next IE9 preview!

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    Bas

    Can't wait for the announcement that Microsoft is dropping Silverlight as a web platform in favor of HTML5.

     

    Sarcasm!

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    Bass

    Very cool. IE9 is shaping up to be a great release.

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    CyberGeek

    IE9 has canvas tag support?! SQUEE!

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    CKurt

    Great progress indeed, shaping up pretty good.

     

    I'm still wondering tough. I'm a developer and i want to use the <video> tagg. How do I encode my video ? .avi .mov .ogg ? And how do I do it (Live Movie Maker?) and how am i sure every HTML5 browser that support <video> can play my video...

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    PaoloM

    CKurt said:

    Great progress indeed, shaping up pretty good.

     

    I'm still wondering tough. I'm a developer and i want to use the <video> tagg. How do I encode my video ? .avi .mov .ogg ? And how do I do it (Live Movie Maker?) and how am i sure every HTML5 browser that support <video> can play my video...

    I'm sure you'll get all the info you need from the HTML WG.

     

    </sarcasm>

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    PaoloM

    Bas said:

    Can't wait for the announcement that Microsoft is dropping Silverlight as a web platform in favor of HTML5.

     

    Sarcasm!

    Actually, I would not be surprised at all.

     

    We're using Silverlight as a desktop application platform and it's going great. I can see a couple more releases of convergent evolution with WPF and then we'll have a unified declarative platform for application development. Cross platform Smiley

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    Sven Groot

    CKurt said:

    Great progress indeed, shaping up pretty good.

     

    I'm still wondering tough. I'm a developer and i want to use the <video> tagg. How do I encode my video ? .avi .mov .ogg ? And how do I do it (Live Movie Maker?) and how am i sure every HTML5 browser that support <video> can play my video...

    how am i sure every HTML5 browser that support <video> can play my video...

    Because not every browser supports the same codecs at present, this is impossible. Ain't standards great?

     

    Right now you'd have to provide your video as h.264 (in a .mp4 file I think) and as an Ogg Theora video (.ogg) to get the broadest coverage, I think.

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    Clint

    CKurt said:

    Great progress indeed, shaping up pretty good.

     

    I'm still wondering tough. I'm a developer and i want to use the <video> tagg. How do I encode my video ? .avi .mov .ogg ? And how do I do it (Live Movie Maker?) and how am i sure every HTML5 browser that support <video> can play my video...

    LWM does WMV since h.264 requires licensing to encode.  Ogg is a patent question.

     

    The video tag is still an open battle ground. 

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    Clint

    PaoloM said:
    Bas said:
    *snip*

    Actually, I would not be surprised at all.

     

    We're using Silverlight as a desktop application platform and it's going great. I can see a couple more releases of convergent evolution with WPF and then we'll have a unified declarative platform for application development. Cross platform Smiley

    Video tag can't do everything SL can.  Video tag can't do smooth streaming nor DRM.  I know end users hate DRM but at the end of the day, companies that want to protect their data leverage it.

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    Dr Herbie

    Clint said:
    PaoloM said:
    *snip*

    Video tag can't do everything SL can.  Video tag can't do smooth streaming nor DRM.  I know end users hate DRM but at the end of the day, companies that want to protect their data leverage it.

    Well thank you very much Microsoft, your irresponsible actions have very likely cost me my career -- you can you sleep at night having shown this to the public.  I started last night and now I can't stop.  Ahead I see only unemployment, alcohol dependence and homelessness because I am unable to do anything other than play this game.

     

    I hope you're happy now.

     

    Herbie

     

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    AndyC

    Dr Herbie said:
    Clint said:
    *snip*

    Well thank you very much Microsoft, your irresponsible actions have very likely cost me my career -- you can you sleep at night having shown this to the public.  I started last night and now I can't stop.  Ahead I see only unemployment, alcohol dependence and homelessness because I am unable to do anything other than play this game.

     

    I hope you're happy now.

     

    Herbie

     

    That'd probably be a lot more impressive if it didn't glitch so badly, after a few minutes I end up with a bunch of half-swapped tiles and empty squares. Back to Jewel Quest on xbox 360 methinks....

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    rhm

    AndyC said:
    Dr Herbie said:
    *snip*

    That'd probably be a lot more impressive if it didn't glitch so badly, after a few minutes I end up with a bunch of half-swapped tiles and empty squares. Back to Jewel Quest on xbox 360 methinks....

    All these HTML5 demos that are supposed to be so impressive, to me they just emphasise how bad a platform HTML is for delivering application UI.

     

    And no, hardware accelerating it so it can run at a zillion frames per second does not make it OK. It's like bolting a Ferrari V8 onto a refrigerator and expecting win a motorrace - the browser wasn't conceived as an application delivery platform and making faster won't change it's nature.

     

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    Bas

    rhm said:
    AndyC said:
    *snip*

    All these HTML5 demos that are supposed to be so impressive, to me they just emphasise how bad a platform HTML is for delivering application UI.

     

    And no, hardware accelerating it so it can run at a zillion frames per second does not make it OK. It's like bolting a Ferrari V8 onto a refrigerator and expecting win a motorrace - the browser wasn't conceived as an application delivery platform and making faster won't change it's nature.

     

    ++ plus plussity plus plus.

     

    Plus.

     

     

    Although the analogy I always use is putting wheels and an engine on the bloated corpse of a dead racehorse, in order to get it across the finish line.

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    Clint

    Dr Herbie said:
    Clint said:
    *snip*

    Well thank you very much Microsoft, your irresponsible actions have very likely cost me my career -- you can you sleep at night having shown this to the public.  I started last night and now I can't stop.  Ahead I see only unemployment, alcohol dependence and homelessness because I am unable to do anything other than play this game.

     

    I hope you're happy now.

     

    Herbie

     

    minesweeper is my issue

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