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IE9 preview 3 : WOW!!! Who is Chrome ?

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    Dovella
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    magicalclick

    I agree, where is the chorme? It is really hard to use it without a back button.

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    exoteric

    magicalclick said:

    I agree, where is the chorme? It is really hard to use it without a back button.

    It's a platform preview, specifically meant to clearly indicate that it's not a full browser but a stripped down UI on top of the platform. The purpose being developers testing it with their own samples as well.

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    magicalclick

    exoteric said:
    magicalclick said:
    *snip*

    It's a platform preview, specifically meant to clearly indicate that it's not a full browser but a stripped down UI on top of the platform. The purpose being developers testing it with their own samples as well.

    But, couldn't we test the UI as well? I mean, you can't have awsome engine with stupid UI. Well, you can, but, it would suck.

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    Bas

    magicalclick said:
    exoteric said:
    *snip*

    But, couldn't we test the UI as well? I mean, you can't have awsome engine with stupid UI. Well, you can, but, it would suck.

    This is for testing it as a new development platform. Testing the UI will happen when the beta comes out.

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    Dovella

    Apple Html5 home page is REAL Html5 ? 

     

    Apple #FAIL!!!!

     

    @IE team 

    Welcomeback!!!!!!!!!

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    Sven Groot

    magicalclick said:
    exoteric said:
    *snip*

    But, couldn't we test the UI as well? I mean, you can't have awsome engine with stupid UI. Well, you can, but, it would suck.

    Although it's not fun to have this awesome engine in a deliberately crippled UI, I can understand why they're doing it.

     

    They want people to focus on the engine and the development platform. If they were to release this using their (presumably unfinished) new IE9 UI, many people would focus on that instead and report bugs on it instead of the engine, which the IE team doesn't want at this stage (again probably because the UI is not finished enough for public testing).

     

    If they were to release the IE9 preview using the old IE8 UI (which at least would make it more usable), you'd risk people misunderstanding, thinking that IE9 will have the same UI as IE8, and the whole *-storm of bad PR that would entail if someone influential came to that (wrong) conclusion and wrote an article about it.

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    sushovande

    Sven Groot said:
    magicalclick said:
    *snip*

    Although it's not fun to have this awesome engine in a deliberately crippled UI, I can understand why they're doing it.

     

    They want people to focus on the engine and the development platform. If they were to release this using their (presumably unfinished) new IE9 UI, many people would focus on that instead and report bugs on it instead of the engine, which the IE team doesn't want at this stage (again probably because the UI is not finished enough for public testing).

     

    If they were to release the IE9 preview using the old IE8 UI (which at least would make it more usable), you'd risk people misunderstanding, thinking that IE9 will have the same UI as IE8, and the whole *-storm of bad PR that would entail if someone influential came to that (wrong) conclusion and wrote an article about it.

    I am pretty sure Dovella was trying to downplay Google Chrome.. but good job hijacking the thread, guys, and stealing his thunder Tongue Out

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    ManipUni

    Google Chrome is the browser that just added native PDF and Flash - Who is anyone else?

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    W3bbo

    ManipUni said:

    Google Chrome is the browser that just added native PDF and Flash - Who is anyone else?

    Google doesn't "natively" support Flash, it uses Adobe's binaries, they're just already inside Chrome so you don't need to download them separately, it also helps keep it up to date. We'd have known if Google did implement their own SWF player because there aren't any

    good open-source implementations right now, the people in Linux are almost entirely dependent on Adobe's proprietary binaries.

     

    However, Chrome's PDF handler does seem to be Google's code. This'll be interesting.

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    blowdart

    Dovella said:

    Apple Html5 home page is REAL Html5 ? 

     

    Apple #FAIL!!!!

     

    @IE team 

    Welcomeback!!!!!!!!!

    Wow that makes about as much sense as a chocolate teapot.

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    Minh

    the IE9 preview runs GREAT on my quad-core machine, and might be my main browser...

     

    BUT

     

    It runs horribly slow on my netbook which has a 1GHz Atom & integrated graphics.

     

    I can't get more than 1 FPS on any of the graphics demo... So, whatever fallback rendering IE9 does when it doesn't have the hardware doesn't scale at all...

     

    I can play Cafe World on Chrome thru Flash (not butter smooth, but still...) ... but there's no way I can do anything with IE9 on a netbook...

     

    Why does that matter? I'd expect more low-powered devices to come out in the near future... IE team? What say you?

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    exoteric

    magicalclick said:
    exoteric said:
    *snip*

    But, couldn't we test the UI as well? I mean, you can't have awsome engine with stupid UI. Well, you can, but, it would suck.

    This is a developer site, not a "random people using browsers" site. The platform is the important thing. I'd also guess that it has to do with some UX improvements maybe even related to Windows 8 that we're not supposed to see yet. I don't blame them. It's a preview, deal with it!

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    exoteric

    Minh said:

    the IE9 preview runs GREAT on my quad-core machine, and might be my main browser...

     

    BUT

     

    It runs horribly slow on my netbook which has a 1GHz Atom & integrated graphics.

     

    I can't get more than 1 FPS on any of the graphics demo... So, whatever fallback rendering IE9 does when it doesn't have the hardware doesn't scale at all...

     

    I can play Cafe World on Chrome thru Flash (not butter smooth, but still...) ... but there's no way I can do anything with IE9 on a netbook...

     

    Why does that matter? I'd expect more low-powered devices to come out in the near future... IE team? What say you?

    Don't expect a demo of hardware accelleration to run fast on a non-GPU platform. There's no magic involved after all. I know DirectX has some fallback software rendering, I believe called Warp-something, which is supposedly pretty fast but it can never surpass hardware acelleration on current CPU technology, much less on a low-power CPU like the Atom. 

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    Minh

    exoteric said:
    Minh said:
    *snip*

    Don't expect a demo of hardware accelleration to run fast on a non-GPU platform. There's no magic involved after all. I know DirectX has some fallback software rendering, I believe called Warp-something, which is supposedly pretty fast but it can never surpass hardware acelleration on current CPU technology, much less on a low-power CPU like the Atom. 

    DirectX used to have fallback software rendering, but they don't anymore. They now have a "reference" renderer that's used for correctness, and not for normal use.

     

    But my question is, as netbooks, tablets, get more popular, IE9 seems to be a non-choice for those hardwares when it comes to media stuff. What does MS have in mind for those limited hardware...

     

    I have to do some testing of Silverlight on my netbook to see if it's comparable to Flash... the problem is to find something complex with both a Flash and a Silverlight version.

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    magicalclick

    W3bbo said:
    ManipUni said:
    *snip*

    Google doesn't "natively" support Flash, it uses Adobe's binaries, they're just already inside Chrome so you don't need to download them separately, it also helps keep it up to date. We'd have known if Google did implement their own SWF player because there aren't any

    good open-source implementations right now, the people in Linux are almost entirely dependent on Adobe's proprietary binaries.

     

    However, Chrome's PDF handler does seem to be Google's code. This'll be interesting.

    isn't software bundling = law suits? I wonder when that will happen.

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    PaoloM

    magicalclick said:
    W3bbo said:
    *snip*

    isn't software bundling = law suits? I wonder when that will happen.

    isn't software bundling = law suits?

    No.

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    magicalclick

    exoteric said:
    magicalclick said:
    *snip*

    This is a developer site, not a "random people using browsers" site. The platform is the important thing. I'd also guess that it has to do with some UX improvements maybe even related to Windows 8 that we're not supposed to see yet. I don't blame them. It's a preview, deal with it!

    couldn't they release both versions? one is UX focused and one is engine focused? I mean, I get the feeling they are not doing UX at all. And with shorter UX feedback or not getting the feedback concurrently will only "stack" the development timeline instead of parrallel effort.

     

    I get the feeling they will just slap on the old GUI and call it a day.

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