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    Bas

    Speaking of CodePlex projects, I'd still like to see this happen: http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/NicFill/Ch9Live-at-Silverlight-4-Launch-Ask-The-Gu/#Page=1

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    Dr Herbie

    Bas said:

    Speaking of CodePlex projects, I'd still like to see this happen: http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/NicFill/Ch9Live-at-Silverlight-4-Launch-Ask-The-Gu/#Page=1

    I'd like to know:

     

    Why do birds suddenly appear 
    Every time you are near?

    Big Smile

     

    Also, what has been done so far in the C9 revolution -- you don't have to commit to any release dates, but surely some code has already been written?  What has been coded and can definitely be flagged as included in the next release?

     

    Herbie

     

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    Chadk

    I’d like a video about Winqual, and when Microsoft is gonna make it not suck Tongue Out

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    Dan

    Bas said:

    Adding my vote to suggestions by others: making C9 work - while we're still young (some of us don't have much more time to go, dammit!) - HAS to be top priority.

     

    A contest woud be cool.

     

    More Hanselman.

     

    Less marketing videos. Less Sarah Ford having interviews with people at a desk with a scripted conversation in which you're trying to convince us of how awesome the latest Microsoft technology is. More videos of just walking in with a video camera and asking what people are doing. Sarah can do this too. Tongue Out

    On the contest front, I'm normally the guy to say that this is a bad idea, given how many contests that Microsoft runs (avg 1/week). I won't repeat the rant on my blog on this  http://blogs.msdn.com/b/danielfe/archive/2008/03/17/microsoft-the-contest-machine.aspx, but you'd be surprised by how little participation some of these contests get. Further, for a community like C9, I think collaboration instead of competition would be a better option.

     

    On the collaboration front, one of the things Clint and I were discussing for Coding4Fun was to have sponsored open source projects. So a dev team would submit an idea for a useful app or library, and if they get approved, we fund them to develop their idea. That way, you get folks collaborating on an open source project, the output of the project is open source and designed for reuse and even devs not participating can benefit from using your library. Google does something similar with their Summer of Code for example. Thoughts on that versus a contest?

     

     

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    Dovella

    9 guy Smiley

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    MasterPi

    Dan said:
    Bas said:
    *snip*

    On the contest front, I'm normally the guy to say that this is a bad idea, given how many contests that Microsoft runs (avg 1/week). I won't repeat the rant on my blog on this  http://blogs.msdn.com/b/danielfe/archive/2008/03/17/microsoft-the-contest-machine.aspx, but you'd be surprised by how little participation some of these contests get. Further, for a community like C9, I think collaboration instead of competition would be a better option.

     

    On the collaboration front, one of the things Clint and I were discussing for Coding4Fun was to have sponsored open source projects. So a dev team would submit an idea for a useful app or library, and if they get approved, we fund them to develop their idea. That way, you get folks collaborating on an open source project, the output of the project is open source and designed for reuse and even devs not participating can benefit from using your library. Google does something similar with their Summer of Code for example. Thoughts on that versus a contest?

     

     

    When I said contest, I was actually referring to some sort of C9 sponsored code event. Code collaboration sounds like a great idea.

    Maybe have it problem driven, like find a particular realworld issue someone on some site raised ("I wish I could keep track of my daily calorie intake by scanning in the wrappers from foods I eat" or "I wonder if there's a correlation between W3bbo's hair length and the amount of humor in his posts.").

    The projects would have to be at that level interesting.

     

    Or, we could even collaborate on C9 features. Angel

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    ZippyV

    Dan said:
    Bas said:
    *snip*

    On the contest front, I'm normally the guy to say that this is a bad idea, given how many contests that Microsoft runs (avg 1/week). I won't repeat the rant on my blog on this  http://blogs.msdn.com/b/danielfe/archive/2008/03/17/microsoft-the-contest-machine.aspx, but you'd be surprised by how little participation some of these contests get. Further, for a community like C9, I think collaboration instead of competition would be a better option.

     

    On the collaboration front, one of the things Clint and I were discussing for Coding4Fun was to have sponsored open source projects. So a dev team would submit an idea for a useful app or library, and if they get approved, we fund them to develop their idea. That way, you get folks collaborating on an open source project, the output of the project is open source and designed for reuse and even devs not participating can benefit from using your library. Google does something similar with their Summer of Code for example. Thoughts on that versus a contest?

     

     

    You're just pissed that I didn't have any competitors.

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    MasterPi

    ZippyV said:
    Dan said:
    *snip*

    You're just pissed that I didn't have any competitors.

    I remember getting an honorable mention in a Bing contest with only ~20 entries.

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    felix9

    I want to hear more stories about how real development works done at microsoft, like this pdc session about wpf trasition of dev10,

     

    and more lectures, like the promised STL series by STL,

     

    and more interviews by researchers outside of microsoft, like those ones about V8 and Newspeak when they were coming ms for Lang.NET,

     

    and more news reports from other industry conferences, like this one, Smiley, and OSCON, QCON, OOPSLA etc

     

    and more History series from Tina, and interviews from historic figures.

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    Charles

    felix9 said:

    I want to hear more stories about how real development works done at microsoft, like this pdc session about wpf trasition of dev10,

     

    and more lectures, like the promised STL series by STL,

     

    and more interviews by researchers outside of microsoft, like those ones about V8 and Newspeak when they were coming ms for Lang.NET,

     

    and more news reports from other industry conferences, like this one, Smiley, and OSCON, QCON, OOPSLA etc

     

    and more History series from Tina, and interviews from historic figures.

    STL Lecture series starts today! => http://channel9.msdn.com/shows/Going+Deep/C9-Lectures-Introduction-to-STL-with-Stephan-T-Lavavej/

     

    I'm heading to Portland end of July-ish to cover the emerging langs conference. I'm trying to convince Dan to let me go to JAOO this year. Smiley


    C

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    mikexkearney

    Charles said:
    kettch said:
    *snip*

    We will continue to do both. There is not, nor has there ever been, an EitherOr monad, just a Both Smiley

     

    Sometimes, the studio is the best place to shoot demo-heavy pieces, lectures and conversational pieces. Sometimes, the office is the best place (like today's impromptu Archivist interview). Sometimes, Michael comes with us to offices to shoot high quality OldSchool (like the IE team interviews, Larry's NUI pieces, etc). Since you want more of this, and we asked you what you want, we will deliver.

     

    Plurality is a good thing!

     

    Keep on posting,

    C

    What were those two challenge shows you had a few years back? One was in a casino, other was shopping center. They were great.

     

    Give a random 'team' a real world challenge to solve with Microsoft technologies minus the production cost.

     

    Stick Dovella in Microsoft HQ, see what happens.

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    felix9

    I like the idea that putting people from different worlds into the same room , like that one about JRuby and Ruby.NET, maybe you can do this for similars things like, Mozilla/Chrome/IE guys or JVM/CLR guys or even Linux/NT guys, if possible and suitable, hmmmm......  Devil

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    Bass

    More about Microsoft's open source initiatives, eg: DLR, IronPython, IronRuby, etc. More about Mono/Microsoft collaboration.

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    Bass

    felix9 said:

    I like the idea that putting people from different worlds into the same room , like that one about JRuby and Ruby.NET, maybe you can do this for similars things like, Mozilla/Chrome/IE guys or JVM/CLR guys or even Linux/NT guys, if possible and suitable, hmmmm......  Devil

    That would be awesome. Smiley

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    kettch

    Bass said:
    felix9 said:
    *snip*

    That would be awesome. Smiley

    ++;

     

    With Erik Meijer moderating for that added brain meltiness.

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    CKurt

    felix9 said:

    I like the idea that putting people from different worlds into the same room , like that one about JRuby and Ruby.NET, maybe you can do this for similars things like, Mozilla/Chrome/IE guys or JVM/CLR guys or even Linux/NT guys, if possible and suitable, hmmmm......  Devil

    That would be epic! And a great discusion/talk about HTML5

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    Dan

    ZippyV said:
    Dan said:
    *snip*

    You're just pissed that I didn't have any competitors.

    LOL! Smiley

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    GoddersUK

    Dan said:
    Bas said:
    *snip*

    On the contest front, I'm normally the guy to say that this is a bad idea, given how many contests that Microsoft runs (avg 1/week). I won't repeat the rant on my blog on this  http://blogs.msdn.com/b/danielfe/archive/2008/03/17/microsoft-the-contest-machine.aspx, but you'd be surprised by how little participation some of these contests get. Further, for a community like C9, I think collaboration instead of competition would be a better option.

     

    On the collaboration front, one of the things Clint and I were discussing for Coding4Fun was to have sponsored open source projects. So a dev team would submit an idea for a useful app or library, and if they get approved, we fund them to develop their idea. That way, you get folks collaborating on an open source project, the output of the project is open source and designed for reuse and even devs not participating can benefit from using your library. Google does something similar with their Summer of Code for example. Thoughts on that versus a contest?

     

     

    Hmmm... maybe a series of video alerts about contests with a low number of entrants so we can enter and be in with a high chance of winning? Big Smile Tongue Out

     

    More swag would go nicely with the Windows 7 t-shirt I won a while back Big Smile Tongue Out

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