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Apple's definition of Streaming

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    CKurt

    For the first time ever Apple will stream a keynote live over the internet! http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/1009qpeijrfn/event

     

    Well over there part of the internet. You need to be on Mac OS X Snow Leopard and on Safari 4 or 5. What gives? This is a new low of trying to keep poeple in the ecosystem.

     

    Are they afraid there experience might not be good enough if everyone tunes in? Microsoft is streaming all the PCD10 keynotes and sessions over the internet. Apple is streaming to one piece of the internet for about 1hour.

     

     

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    W3bbo

    Hold on; how is this different to Microsoft requiring Silverlight for streaming when the platform is not fully supported under Moonlight on *nix nor OS X?

     

    Yes, Apple is being particularly brash about this, but it isn't like Microsoft haven't excluded other platforms when it suits them.

     

    Besides, you'll be able to watch the post-videos tomorrow, or follow Engadget's liveblog.

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    CKurt

    W3bbo said:

    Hold on; how is this different to Microsoft requiring Silverlight for streaming when the platform is not fully supported under Moonlight on *nix nor OS X?

     

    Yes, Apple is being particularly brash about this, but it isn't like Microsoft haven't excluded other platforms when it suits them.

     

    Besides, you'll be able to watch the post-videos tomorrow, or follow Engadget's liveblog.

    A Liveblog is not the same as a stream.

     

    Well it's different because QuickTime does run on windows, but they just choose to block Windows's pc's and only alow Mac OSX Snow Leopard. The only reason I can think of is because they don't want to many people watching it.

     

    Silverlight runs on Windows, Mac's and Linux (although it's an older version). It's not like microsoft is dilibratly blocking those other viewers/browsers. Apple is...

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    Charles

    Well, Jobs declared plug-ins as an  evil force in the universe and he actively evangelizes interoperable standards as the way of the future.... This is a clear contradiction. Why wasn't this streamed to a standards-compliant HTML5 video tag, dude? Oh yeah, there is no streaming standard yet....

     

    I agree with CKurt. Lame.

     

    Comparing this to Microsoft's plug-in requirement for streaming media from Microsoft events (Silverlight player hosted in a web browser) is stretching it a bit, W3bbo.... But, it's fair nonetheless, in context.

     

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    TommyCarlier

    CKurt said:
    W3bbo said:
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    A Liveblog is not the same as a stream.

     

    Well it's different because QuickTime does run on windows, but they just choose to block Windows's pc's and only alow Mac OSX Snow Leopard. The only reason I can think of is because they don't want to many people watching it.

     

    Silverlight runs on Windows, Mac's and Linux (although it's an older version). It's not like microsoft is dilibratly blocking those other viewers/browsers. Apple is...

    There is a workaround that allows you to play the stream in VLC. It's not like they actively block people on other platforms from playing, it's just that no other software currently implements HTTP Live Streaming.

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    CKurt

    TommyCarlier said:
    CKurt said:
    *snip*

    There is a workaround that allows you to play the stream in VLC. It's not like they actively block people on other platforms from playing, it's just that no other software currently implements HTTP Live Streaming.

    I don't want to reload the stream to get to the next piece. Nor do I want to search for the stream URL. Wink

     

    Well they do love standards charles, just look at this page of HTML5 demo's in the IE9 tech preview: http://www.apple.com/html5/ Wink

     

     

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    TommyCarlier

    CKurt said:
    TommyCarlier said:
    *snip*

    I don't want to reload the stream to get to the next piece. Nor do I want to search for the stream URL. Wink

     

    Well they do love standards charles, just look at this page of HTML5 demo's in the IE9 tech preview: http://www.apple.com/html5/ Wink

     

     

    http://www.livestream.com/gizmodo

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    CKurt

    TommyCarlier said:

    Thx ! Funny gizmodo can, apple can't Tongue Out

     

     

    Nevermind: Gizmodo can't, its stuttering all the way. At one point there were 20 000 viewers...

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    W3bbo

    CKurt said:
    TommyCarlier said:
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    Thx ! Funny gizmodo can, apple can't Tongue Out

     

     

    Nevermind: Gizmodo can't, its stuttering all the way. At one point there were 20 000 viewers...

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    CKurt

    W3bbo said:
    CKurt said:
    *snip*

    Fap Fap Fap:

     

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    Yes indeed , and $49 for an iPod Shuffle is really tempting but i don't want to be locked into there ecosystem.

     

    The new Nano as you showed is indeed something special.

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    exoteric

    You know what? This can be summed up in two words:

     

    Their loss.

     

    Or as our favourite Italian would put it:

     

    Fail.

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    W3bbo

    CKurt said:
    W3bbo said:
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    Yes indeed , and $49 for an iPod Shuffle is really tempting but i don't want to be locked into there ecosystem.

     

    The new Nano as you showed is indeed something special.

    Yes, but how is that different to getting a WP7 device and being "locked into" the WP7 ecosystem? Which, I might add, is considerably more restricted than the iProduct system since there are hardly any third-party accessory manufacturers or music stores. There is no other rival to the iTMS that provides the same level of comprehensiveness.

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    Bass

    Call me when Channel 9 works properly on Linux.

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    Charles

    Bass said:

    Call me when Channel 9 works properly on Linux.

    Besides playing videos inline, what are the problems on Linux, exactly (and you can download all or most of our videos in a format that should readily play on Linux in a suitable media app: mp4....).


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    Bass

    Charles said:
    Bass said:
    *snip*

    Besides playing videos inline, what are the problems on Linux, exactly (and you can download all or most of our videos in a format that should readily play on Linux in a suitable media app: mp4....).


    C

    "Besides playing video inline?" It doesn't even bother to detect the presence of Moonlight. If you switch your user agent to IE8 it plays videos fine.

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    Charles

    Bass said:
    Charles said:
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    "Besides playing video inline?" It doesn't even bother to detect the presence of Moonlight. If you switch your user agent to IE8 it plays videos fine.

    File a bug on the Connect site please. Smiley

     

    https://connect.microsoft.com/site1133


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    CKurt

    Bass said:
    Charles said:
    *snip*

    "Besides playing video inline?" It doesn't even bother to detect the presence of Moonlight. If you switch your user agent to IE8 it plays videos fine.

    I tought they no longer detected User Agent Strings in the preview. Could be wrong...

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    Ion Todirel

    W3bbo said:
    CKurt said:
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    Is anyone thinking the thing is too small to have an display? I would preferred an larger device or one without an display and hardware buttons.

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