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    Jamey T

    I don't think you are going to see any glitzy sales pitches for VS.NET on here (come to think of it, do we do glitzy sales pitches aimed at devs?). 

    That's what I think the gist of that part of the manifesto deals with.

    As a marketing goon at Microsoft I can state that while the mere word "marketing" has something of a bad connotation for the more technically adept floating around the halls the actual implementation of it (the writing, the assitance in planning, the creation and implementation of ideas,  the day-to-day work) does generally meet with appreciation.

    As for the wording in the manifesto:  I think it may have been a better choice to say "No sales pitches" than marketing. 

    But that's just an opinion from a writer/marketing goon.