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A Question for Silverlight Advocates

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    fanbaby

    Silverlight fanbs, how about this hypotetical scenario: Microsoft buys Facebook, put Silverlight in Facebook pages. [BTW, this almost happened, IMO, with Yahoo]. That would drive up Silverlight adoption wouldn't it?

    To me, that would be a nightmare!

    Some Silverlight fanbs are saying Silverlight is for apps/LOB, and in contrast, HTML is for pages. Would FB be an app or not?

    -meni, open-standards fanboi

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    vesuvius

    flameboy (or was that phlegm)

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    CKurt

    @fanbaby:

    Silverlight is not made to build entire website's in. But I would love it if the photo experience was a Pivot in Silverlight and there photoviewer/uploader was done in silverlight.

    It would drive people's awareness of the sileverlight capabilities. That's more important, because Silverlight now ships with Windows Live Essentials.

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    spivonious

    @fanbaby:What do you have against Silverlight? It's a tool just like everything else. If FB decided to move to using more Silverlight, then maybe their site would work more than half of the time. At the very least the photo experience would be better.

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    fanbaby

    Sorry for trolling, I thought that's this forum for Smiley

    Anyway, when I heard of MSFT's Yahoo! offer back then, my first thought was Silverlight. Back then it was much more menacing to me then  today. I just want to hear from fanbs about this.

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    Bas

    This whole thing would probably be a lot clearer if I had any idea what 'fanbs' are.

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    Maddus Mattus

    @fanbaby:SL is going to pwn yur openstandards base! Just like we did back with IE5! M$ is teh win! Flaz is ded!!!1!!1one Canvas sux0r to t3h max0r in HTML 5!

    @everybody: What can I say,.. I am here to please!

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    PaoloM

    ,fanbaby wrote

    Sorry for trolling, I thought that's this forum for Smiley

    Well, you thought wrong.

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    blowdart

    @Bas:I think it's something to do with Justin Beiber. And cake. Delicous cake.

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    magicalclick

    Silverlight is not Flash, one made by MS and one made by Mircromedia (bought by Adobe). The end.

    Leaving WM on 5/2018 if no apps, no dedicated billboards where I drive, no Store name.
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    figuerres

    ,fanbaby wrote

    Sorry for trolling, I thought that's this forum for Smiley

    Anyway, when I heard of MSFT's Yahoo! offer back then, my first thought was Silverlight. Back then it was much more menacing to me then  today. I just want to hear from fanbs about this.

    please go get a tinfoil hat if you fear the evil powers of a browser plug in.

    that aside silverlight has many good uses. no need to "Fear" it.

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    magicalclick

    @figuerres:

    Or just accept that fact that he is already using propriatary plug-in in YouTube and Facebook and anywhere else.

    Leaving WM on 5/2018 if no apps, no dedicated billboards where I drive, no Store name.
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    Bass

    @magicalclick: But Flash is it's on it's way out in a number of respects. YouTube has an HTML5 mode already.

    I've said this before, but I think Silverlight is a pointless piece of technology. If I want to code something in .NET, then why not use ... .NET?

    Oh, it's difficult to deploy? Uh no it isn't, unless you never heard of ClickOnce.

    Mac OS X support? Well here let me introduce you to Mono - it lets you write Mac OS X DESKTOP applications in the OS's look and feel. Don't want a native-look and feel? You can use WinForms. And looky here - it even supports Linux and other platforms.

    So what do I gain from using Silverlight? Some kind of crossplatform WPF? Okay, that's basically it. But you lose so much more.

    With all the things that .NET 4 supports, I don't understand why I'd pick a highly gimped/crippled version of .NET that confines itself in a web browser. Oh, no longer confined to a web browser. Now it even has an offline mode? WTF is that about? Have Microsoft heard of this technology called WPF or WinForms? I heard it supports a better offline mode. Smiley

    It seems like another "me too" technology from Microsoft, but these time the thing they are "me too"ing is a dying idea. Woot.

    I admit that I personally hate the idea of having to have multiple browser plugins (now it's five or so, but what if  Apple comes out with one, then Google, then Yahoo?) just to use the web. You know, a thing that's suppose (or should) be universally accessible, regardless of OS, device, whatever. Each one of these have their own CVEs (security holes), the own update schedule, their own memory leaks and segfaults, their own idea of what crossplatform support means.

    Fundamentally the problem isn't so much Silverlight and Flash. It's the <object> tag which everything latches onto like a parasite. It's this single word is responsible for so much evil, so much disgusting behavior: responsible it's core for so many virus rooted systems, so many web browser crashes (while you were working). Probably literarly causing stress and heart attacks over millions of people from all the * it's caused.

    I'll be having a party if the <object> tag ever gets marked obsolete in HTML. Smiley

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    fanbaby

    @Bass, amen to your post. It seems Silverlight fans, have a dichotomy with regards to native apps vs the web. They think they can have it both ways. They know the web is better, as do their clients, but they cry all day how hard it is to develop to, and they diss Javascript/CSS/HTML because of ignorance. Guys, look at Douglas Crokford's videos, look at Google's (can I mention that word here?) tools, look at Yahoo's libraries.

    So they were led to believe that Silverlight is cross-platform. Ha ha Sad Yes, there is a mac port, but if you think for one sec that Microsoft will keep it up to date if Silverlight catches-on ($DEITY-OR-NONE forbid), you are either gullible or young.

    For those who keep on retweeting MSFT's claim of x-platformness, did you know there once was a IE for Mac? There was even IE or UNIX! I'm willing to bet a sum of money, that IF Silverlight is successful, any ports to other platform will wither.

    Microsoft's aim is to sell Win licenses, THAT IS IT. All means are fair towards that aim. [yes, yes, i know: "Don't assume malice ... etc."]

    Apart from the new IE team, I see 0 commitment to standards at MS.

     

    PS. one day Microsoft will open DotNET completely. They have no choice. Call back me then.

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    Dr Herbie

    MS seem to be pitching Silverlight as a cross-platform solution within the MS ecosystem:  Desktop, Web, and Win Phone 7 can now directly share code to a large extent (there are some differences between them but porting is relatively trivial).

    If you take a look at the Lightswitch beta, you can see why MS have based this on Silverlight -- many larger 'enterprisey' companies want the same UI on desktop and web to cover their multiple usage scenarios within their company.

    Herbie

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    vesuvius

    @Dr Herbie: I recently faced a situation where we were targeting government department/hospitals as a private company. We could not use Silverlight because it would have meant users requiring admin rights to install the runtime to access our portal. Nothing left to do here but build a regular website, even though it would have been nicer and cheaper to reuse a lot of existing WPF code.

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    vesuvius

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    PaoloM

    Fababy, who exactly are these "silverlight fans" here? Don't be afraid to make a list of names.

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