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A room full of dotnet developers

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  • fanbaby
  • cbae

    What's a detnet developer?

     

  • fanbaby

    @cbae: Someone who uses an apple pc Wink

    Fixed, thx.

  • fanbaby

    Were I a Microsoft suit, or even a simple developer, I'd be horrified at that picture (and of course that is the reason I posted it here, thank you, Smiley), but as an outsider, it's 100% clear to me that all Microsoft fanboys should be yelling "GO OPEN SOURCE ON ALL THINGS THE SOONER THE BETTER OR EVERYTHING IS DOOMED"

    I'll add that even open-sourcing dotnet might not help without a clear pledge with respect to patents.

  • Dr Herbie

    @fanbaby: You equate Apple PCs to Open Source?  Why?

    Herbie

  • fanbaby

    @Dr Herbie:No, but seeing a room full of c sharp developers use a mac doesn't bode well for a platform, and unless you do something - which i think is open-sourcing - well.....

  • Bas

    I think seeing a room full of Mac users desperate enough to use .NET rather than the first party development offerings bodes very well for the .NET platform, but hey.

  • evildictait​or

    , fanbaby wrote

    Were I a Microsoft suit

    When was the last time you saw someone from Microsoft wearing a suit?

  • Sven Groot

    This was a Xamarin conference. Xamarin specializes in .Net targeting non-MS devices, including macs. Makes perfect sense to me. Wink

    Though the point does stand. At most recent academic conferences I've been to, MacBooks and iPads were the majority as well. Though at the last one I went to (ACM SAC in Portugal) they were very rare, almost everyone had regular PC laptops running Windows and Linux, and there was even one German guy with a Surface RT (first time I've seen a non-MS employee using one).

  • Lee_Dale

    I remember working at MS a few years back and using my MacBook, I got some funny looks. A while after that it seems everyone was using a MacBook even in the MS community.

    I went through a phase of Apple laptops when they was was way in front of the competition in terms of hardware design.  I had a MB, a MB Pro and a MB Air.

    However I think the competition has caught up somewhat and no need to pay the premium for Apple hardware anymore.

    I just purchase a Dell XPS 15 fully specced with IvyBridge Core i7, 512 SSD, 16GB RAM and a very decent 2GB Geforce 640M grpahics card.  I probably couldn't get that kind of spec with a MB Pro and if I could it would cost the earth.  

    The XPS is very nicely designed as well with brushed aluminium case, feels very solid and well built.

    In terms of tablets, I still think you can't beat the iPad. Recently debated purchasing the Surface but compared to the iPad 4 it doesn't come close and at the same price it was a no brainer.

  • Hometoy

    Funny picture.

    I think, though, that one advantage to using a Mac for hardware is the ability to install and run Windows 8 as well as Linux and use Xamarin to build focused on iOS or Android or be able to use Visual Studio for Windows Phone.

    Unless Apple opens up and allows people you to install it on other hardware (even in a VM), then for the most cross-platform availability Apple hardware wins.

  • evildictait​or

    , leeappdalec​om wrote

    I remember working at MS a few years back and using my MacBook, I got some funny looks. A while after that it seems everyone was using a MacBook even in the MS community.

    Really? That surprises me. Loads of people at MS have MacBooks - apart from anything else, websites and software that Microsoft makes needs to be tested on them. I also know several MS FTEs who primarily use Macs at home. Sure they probably take minor digs at each other for it, but MS doesn't force you to use Windows. Use the best tool for the job.

  • cbae

    Most non-enterprise or hobbyist-focused developer conferences that I've been to have about a 2:1 ratio between Mac and non-Mac-toting attendees. Most enterprise/business-focused developer conferences I've been to have about a 9:1 ratio between non-Mac and Mac-toting attendees.

     

  • MasterPi

    Now, are they all running OS X? At least at my uni, there were a good percentage of MacBook users who installed Windows 7 on theirs.

  • Lee_Dale

    , evildictait​or wrote

    *snip*

    Really? That surprises me. Loads of people at MS have MacBooks - apart from anything else, websites and software that Microsoft makes needs to be tested on them. I also know several MS FTEs who primarily use Macs at home. Sure they probably take minor digs at each other for it, but MS doesn't force you to use Windows. Use the best tool for the job.

     

    Yep your right, this was quite a few years back though and in the UK campus.

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  • davewill

    @jinx101: That limit must be per section 2.  I wonder if a printed Apple web page taped to the hardware is "Apple-labeled". Smiley

    http://store.apple.com/Catalog/US/Images/MacOSX.htm

    2. Permitted License Uses and Restrictions.

    A. This License allows you to install and use one copy of the Apple Software on
    a single Apple-labeled computer at a time. ....

     

  • OrigamiCar

    , fanbaby wrote

    Were I a Microsoft suit, or even a simple developer, I'd be horrified at that picture (and of course that is the reason I posted it here, thank you, Smiley), but as an outsider, it's 100% clear to me that all Microsoft fanboys should be yelling "GO OPEN SOURCE ON ALL THINGS THE SOONER THE BETTER OR EVERYTHING IS DOOMED"

    I'll add that even open-sourcing dotnet might not help without a clear pledge with respect to patents.

    I'm at this conference right now and yes, I have to admit that it's strange seeing all these c# developers using Macs all in the same room (and I'm included in that figure)! I think Microsoft would actually be quite glad actually as it means there's a market of mobile developers who actively prefer to use xamarin and C# instead of native objective C for iOS and Java for android - especially now that xamarin have their stuff working in Visual Studio. Plus a lot of these macs are also running windows on parallels or boot camp, so Microsoft got their sale on it.

    It's actually a good conference, almost as much fun as Build!

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