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Aaron Swartz commits suicide; dies at 26

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    Bass

    Inventor of RSS (at age 14..), pseudo-cofounder of Reddit, founder of DemandProgress, amongst other illustrious accomplishments in his short life.

    http://boingboing.net/2013/01/12/rip-aaron-swartz.html

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    SteveRichter

    Reddit is well done.  Was he really a founder?  I have not seen any official notices on the site.

     

     

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    Bass

    Here is from Reddit: http://blog.reddit.com/2013/01/aaronsw-1986-2013.html

    Depends on your definition of founder I guess, he was a founder in the sense of "founding father", but he wasn't there on day one. He did join early on and had equal equity in the company with the other founders though. Since I don't know the best way to describe that, I'll just say "pseudo-cofounder".

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    Bass

    He was also very involved in the defeat of SOPA/PIPA, an interesting video talking about that:

    This is like all over the tech news right now of course. It is worth noting he was facing 35+ years of jail time for what was basically spidering the contents of a website against its TOS. The website in question did not elect to press charges against him, but the US government did anyway. Very weird situation.

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    magicalclick

    Shouldn't he ask Obama about hope? Don't gave up hope too early. Hope others seek hope if in the same situation.

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    JoshRoss

    Just think of what would have happened to him if he downloaded 4.8 million MP3s.

    Sad.

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    Proton2

    , JoshRoss wrote

    Just think of what would have happened to him if he downloaded 4.8 million MP3s.

    Sad.

    I have downloaded over 2,000 MP3s. To be more specific, they were copyrighted songs, and I didn't pay for them. It is my understanding that this is legal. Because of the existence of an extra tax (in my jurisdiction) on cd's for the purpose of compensating to copyright holders, even if I use the cd for a purpose other than putting a song on it, that allows me to get off scot free do download songs as I please.

    Even if the tax did not exist, it would still be legal for me to download copyrighted songs.

    It is providing access, or uploading the songs that is illegal.

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    wkempf

    , Proton2 wrote

    *snip*

    I have downloaded over 2,000 MP3s. To be more specific, they were copyrighted songs, and I didn't pay for them. It is my understanding that this is legal. Because of the existence of an extra tax (in my jurisdiction) on cd's for the purpose of compensating to copyright holders, even if I use the cd for a purpose other than putting a song on it, that allows me to get off scot free do download songs as I please.

    Even if the tax did not exist, it would still be legal for me to download copyrighted songs.

    It is providing access, or uploading the songs that is illegal.

    You can rationalize all you want, what you're doing is still illegal.

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    evildictait​or

    , Proton2 wrote

    *snip*

    I have downloaded over 2,000 MP3s. To be more specific, they were copyrighted songs, and I didn't pay for them. It is my understanding that this is legal. Because of the existence of an extra tax (in my jurisdiction) on cd's for the purpose of compensating to copyright holders, even if I use the cd for a purpose other than putting a song on it, that allows me to get off scot free do download songs as I please.

    Even if the tax did not exist, it would still be legal for me to download copyrighted songs.

    It is providing access, or uploading the songs that is illegal.

    I would advise you to ask an attorney whether they think what you are doing is illegal or not, rather than just assuming it is legal.

    The law != common sense.

    I can rationalize my behaviour on C9 != I can defend my behaviour in court.

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    cheong

    @Proton2:Note that the "tax" only goes to major labels and almost never (nothing that I heard of, but I can't be sure, so "almost never") goes to the artists themselves. If you downloaded these musics, it's still wrong even if you're using the "already paid tax" sense.

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    magicalclick

    @Proton2: you do realize you are at mercy of record companies, right?

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    Proton2

    How many here have ripped a CD that you did not own? Hypocrites.

    Anyway, I left out the second part of my rant as I wanted to see the reactions. Good job fellows, you played along.

    Part 2 of my downloaded music rant:

     

    1. The songs I downloaded disappeared long ago when the hard drive they were stored on crashed. I listened to very few of them, and even then only once or twice.
    2. I don't listen to songs / music. I'm more of a TV person. I grew up without a record player in the house, though at one point we had a cassette player and listened to Burl      Ives singing "Goober Peas" and some Mario Lanza songs. I was 18      before I started to listen to music on the radio.
    3. I was 19 when I bought my first record player, and over the years I bought about half a dozen records. I then switched to tapes. Skipped the 8-track era altogether. I      bought maybe a dozen tapes over the years.
    4. I have only purchased one single music cd. It's a Rolling Stones live album, which I was      disappointed in as I wanted the quality of a studio recording.
    5. I have listened to a huge amount of music over the radio as the radio was playing all day long at work, and on the car radio.

    So am I concerned about action against me from the Record industry? Not at all. They should be concerned that I don't buy their music because I don't listen to their music.

     

    I have seen the following in concert, partial list: David Bowie, The Cars, Devo, Z Z Top, The Police, Doug and the Slugs, Jeff Healey.

    I have spent about as much on live concerts as I have on recorded music.

    I was very surprised when I listened to some of those downloaded music files on a device with stereo headphones as I had never heard music other than through tinny speakers. I was surprised how good it sounded and what I was missing all those years.

    Music seems awfully a lot like a drug. The music industry seems more like a drug pushing industry.

    The Crony Capitalism of charging all Canadians with a music levy even if they have not downloaded music and only use cd's to store their camera pictures or data files is my justification, and that's all I need. Reap what you sow music industry.

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    Blue Ink

    , Proton2 wrote

    *snip*

    Music seems awfully a lot like a drug.

    *furious snipping*

    Can't say I followed your rant, but you definitely got something right. Music is a nasty psycotropic substance; it can be exhilarating, it can make you cry, it can make you drive like a baboon and usually crave for more and better stuff.

    The good thing is, it's legal in most countries, and nobody can stop you from making your own (except for common decency and, maybe, your neighbors).

    Rock and roll, man...

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    evildictait​or

    , Proton2 wrote

    So am I concerned about action against me from the Record industry? Not at all. They should be concerned that I don't buy their music because I don't listen to their music.

    Whether or not you get indicted and/or required to pay a big fine is entirely independent of whether you are concerned about the Record industry.

    It's your money and your choice, but don't trick yourself into thinking that because you're "good for the music industry" or can rationalize your own actions that that somehow gives you immunity from their lawyers. Too many people who did that have ended up very poor and very angry after being forced to pay ludicrous fines to the record labels.

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    wkempf

    @Proton2:

    , Proton2 wrote

    How many here have ripped a CD that you did not own? Hypocrites.

    Irrelevant, and the label is unfounded. No one that pointed out that what you did was illegal said a thing about their own behavior. If you can rationalize your behavior, fine. Just don't say it's legal due to your rationalization.

    I think DRM is repugnant and morally wrong. I've broken DRM on this basis. *I* believe I'm on the right side of morality here, since I've broken DRM only to do things that I believe should fall under "fair use" and that I shouldn't be restricted from doing. However, unlike you, I don't use my rationalizations to claim what I did was legal.

    Can't say I understood any of the rest or your diatribe. Lots of personal information without much of an argument or point, as far as I could tell.

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    Dr Herbie

    Back on topic -- I found this an interesting read concerning what Aaron Swartz was charged with.

    Herbie

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    magicalclick

    @Proton2: the point is, don't record yourself speeding and justify there is no car on the freeway and post it on YouTube with 1000 views. there is a difference between knowing it is illegal and moderate than justify it is legal and piss off the people who can win the fight. there are tons of gray area such as abortion. Know the law and follow it. If you really need it, just don't tell everyone about it and make a big new headline. Before the law is updated, fighting it will get you hurt, unless you are prepared to get hurt.

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