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Afterthoughts on the Nokia - Microsoft deal

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    CKurt

    The word is out. Nokia is going to produce Windows Phone hardware. What is your oppinion?

    I'm really hoping they can bring out phone quicky at a lower price point. Current phone all cost above € 500 ) which is to high. I'm hoping for stunning Carl Zeis camera's beautiful hardware and keyboards (E7) and long battery life.

    I'm always liked Nokia phones and now have a Samsung and aren't happy about it. My next phone would have been a Windows Phone and now I'm pretty sure it's going to be Nokia one. If they ship this year. My hope is they will deliver a 'basic' WP7 device and not wait for all the nokia differentiation to be finnished before shipping because I don't feel like I would need it.

    Also: wouldn't it be a great illustration of their work of at WMC the demo device for WP7 would be a Nokia device. (Just to show us they got it working allready). (Nokia stock is down 14% today)

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    DCMonkey

    Well they've Osborned Symbian and Meego smartphone app development, but I'm not all that sure there was room for a fourth (and fifth?) app ecosystem anyways. The OSS fanboys and ABMers certainly have their panties in a bunch but it's hard to tell what serious developers for those platforms are thinking. At least if you don't trust Nokia anymore, developing for WP7 won't tie you to their hardware.

    Still, I worry what this means for Qt's future. It's a nice platform but Nokia really has no reason to pour resources into it anymore. Maybe the KDE project will take on its stewardship.

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    Bas

    I'm also hoping for a lower price point. I think that's one strategy that Nokia could excell at.

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    Ian2

    Low price point would work well if Nokia can get Microsoft to lock out those cheap Chinese suppliers for a couple of years.  I can also see Nokia producing a great phone in the high end market (One that innovates over the other hardware suppliers perhaps?)

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    CKurt

    @DCMonkey: Developing for Symbian has always been a pain. And the people who like Qt are (in my point of view) mostly comming from C or C++ and love the fact Qt gives you so much more power.

    I think the WP7 platform will open up there eyes. The tools stay free, the apps look better and can be developped faster. It does have it's painpoints but I'm sure Microsoft will address them.

    I've worked on a Qt application for the N900 and it was not unpleasent. But the tools still don't compair to Visual Studio. They were great and very visual, and brought some good stuff to the table. But nothing compaires to Visual Studio.

    Also, Qt had just released a language based on JSON to discribe layout elements. Much like XAML discribes the layout in WP7 apps. So if they choose to transition to the bigger ecosystem they should be in for a treat.

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    wkempf

    From a US standpoint, we've seen sales on WP7 devices for under $100 already. So here the pricepoint isn't an issue to adoption. Brand recognition of Nokia will certainly help the platform, though. It would be best for Nokia to come up with a range of devices from entry to bleeding edge.

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    Ian2

    HTC boss:  (Nokia deal) "validates HTC's approach to the smartphone business"

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/technologybrierdudleysblog/2014195522_htc_exec_on_nokia-microsoft_de.html

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    Ian2

    @wkempf:presumably under $100 is the contract lock in price? (otherwise, can you get me one please!?)

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    wkempf

    Interesting take from Scoble (disclaimer: I usually don't agree with Scoble... didn't even in the days when he worked on C9 and always gave glowing reviews of anything Microsoft... but I think he's got some good points this time): http://scobleizer.com/2011/02/11/dear-nokia-fans-youre-nuts/.

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    wkempf

    , Ian2 wrote

    @wkempf:presumably under $100 is the contract lock in price? (otherwise, can you get me one please!?)

    Yes, it's the subsidized price (and promotional price to boot). For most consumers (in America) that doesn't matter much.

    I understand the desire for cheaper non-subsidized prices, especially if you can't get subsidized prices, and I agree. I'm just saying for adoption of WP7, in America, I don't think price is the issue. Of course, if they could get the overall price down to where the "with contract" price was free or nearly so, like with most non-smart phones, it would be a game changer. I'm not sure that can be done and still maintain the hardware requirements specified by Microsoft, though. However, if anyone can do it, it would be Nokia.

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    CKurt

    If nokia can produce phone with the same "sexyness" as Dell did with the Dell Venue Pro (but then skip them also) it might put Windows Phone 7 in a whole new light.

    The cheap plastiq looking devices need to go.

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    wkempf

    While I really like my Samsung Focus "cheap plastiq looking device", I agree that WP7 needs a device with better hardware design. That's counter to price, though, which is why I suggested the best thing would be if Nokia provided a wide range of devices.

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    CKurt

    @wkempf: I'm not saying it aren't good devices but I prefer industrial design looking stuff. But indeed a wide range of price points is needed and I'm sure Nokia can deliver.

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    wkempf

    @CKurt: I was agreeing, not disagreeing. I was just qualifying that despite my agreement with the need for a better industrial design on a WP7 device, I was personally quite happy with my device. IOW, there's actually a market for both. So, we agree, Nokia should go for phones in all of the price ranges.

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    CKurt

    We agree, here I am hoping for WP7 news from Nokia at MWC but that would be very soon Tongue Out

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    ryanb

    Yeah, that Scoble article is pretty good.  (I don't often agree with him either.)

    If you read down in the comments to that article, there is a post from a Nokia employee indicating that the devices wouldn't be on the market until 2012.  If so, that's wayyy late.  They should be running WP8 by then.

    The MS/Nokia pairup was the only reasonable option, and should be good for both of them.  Time will tell if they screw it up or not.  My guess is that HP/Palm will go down in flames before Nokia/WP7.  RIM is going to be in trouble before long if they don't do something significant too.

     

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    magicalclick

    @CKurt:I already have HTC surround, so it will take me 2 years to try their phone. But I am sure there are still winph7 potential buyers out there. I think ot is a good move because winph7 is a great os, especially its user friendly design and "consistent". I wouldn't  recommend on winmo, but this I will recommend. hope they deviled, because winph needs a strong us manufacture support

     

    Leaving WM on 5/2018 if no apps, no dedicated billboards where I drive, no Store name.
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    elmer

    I think it can work, but I worry that Nokia will futz about and do another N8... by the time they ship something it will be all too late.

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