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    elmer

    I have a domain of PCs running W7-Pro.

    I have the HKLM\Software\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate\DisableOSUpgrade flag set to true.

    I had hidden the optional KB3035583 "Update installs Get Windows 10 app in Windows 8.1 and Windows 7 SP1" update.

    So, what does MS do...?

    They unhide KB3035583 and elevate it to IMPORTANT - so that it will be automatically installed.

    Why can't they take a hint?

    MS - Just F* OFF and leave my W7 domain alone.

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    KirbyFC

    I have been very disappointed by Win 10.  Months after it's official release, buggy and not getting any better.  And the whole "let's shove this down your throat".  Very disappointing.

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    cheong

    Actually I've been using Win10 like half year now, and there are no major problem for me - Except that the on-screen keyboard for "Quick" IME is still displaying "Bopomofo" keys and I have no way to type ChangJei radicals there, and sometimes the IME will simply disappear suddenly... don't know if it had crashed or else (nothing related is found in event viewer).

    Other than those "gitches" I have no problem using it like Win7.

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    figuerres

    , KirbyFC wrote

    I have been very disappointed by Win 10.  Months after it's official release, buggy and not getting any better.  And the whole "let's shove this down your throat".  Very disappointing.

     

    can you give us any details on the bugs you are seeing ?

    I have been running from pre-launch to the current insider builds and have no major issues.

    also have you tried reporting the bugs ??

     

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    Ray7

    , KirbyFC wrote

    I have been very disappointed by Win 10.  Months after it's official release, buggy and not getting any better.  And the whole "let's shove this down your throat".  Very disappointing.

    I've been using it for a few weeks and it's not very good, no.  I have a Dell machine and the whole setup is hideously unstable. I think It's probably buggy drivers, and you may be seeing the same thing. 

    The whole 'wear people down until they give up and upgrade' thing is the most obnoxious marketing strategy I have ever seen.

     

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    vesuvius

    @Ray7: As far as I'm concerned, Microsoft's Get Windows 10 (GWX) app — which is on every patched Windows 7 and 8.1 PC around — ranks somewhere between adware and malware for annoyance value.

    Microsoft have moved to a subscription based model where they use Agile software delivery. the irony is the people that wrote the agile manifesto explicitly say don't use it anymore because they have realized it does not work. While everyone at Redmond has their head in the sand, they are shipping substandard software thinking it is going to take over the world where people are just moving to competitors products.

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    wkempf

    When GWX first came out and there was the big uproar, I thought people were majorly over reacting. Now, when the OS is being downloaded without permission, hotfixes contain patches that bring it back, it's been made a recommended update, etc.? Well, Microsoft has more than crossed a line here. They deserve any and all criticism they receive, and I can't blame some people for giving up on them and going elsewhere. Very much not well thought out, despite the many man hours I'm sure they spent discussing this internally.

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    davidglickm​an

    Try the free never 10 utility available from here. Run once and you'll never see GWX again!

    It also deletes all the files for the update that Microsoft downloads 'just in case'.

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    Ray7

    I want to ask Microsoft if this is really they wanted? To encourage a market of utilities that do god knows what to their customers systems just so people can get on with their work without being harassed to install software they clearly don't want?

    Unbelievable.

     

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    AndyC

    I'm not a fan of Windows 10, it still has way too many issues to really  be "production ready", but why on Earth aren't you using WSUS or similar to control deployment of updates in your domain?

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    elmer

    Actually, I believe that WSUS only blocks GWX if KB3035583 had not already slipped through.

    The main issue with a non-WSUS environment is that MS only provide a Group Policy setting for DisableOSUpdate but they don't provide a Group Policy for DisableGWX, presumably because they want people to click on it and then get told that the update is blocked, and they should contact their administrator - and nag him.

    Disabling GWX requires HKLM\Software\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\Gwx\DisableGwx (dword) = 1

    You can still do it with Group Policy, but clearly MS made this as difficult as they could.

    https://support.microsoft.com/en-au/kb/3080351

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    Ray7

    , AndyC wrote

    I'm not a fan of Windows 10, it still has way too many issues to really  be "production ready", but why on Earth aren't you using WSUS or similar to control deployment of updates in your domain?

    Because it's a single laptop that I had to buy for testing IE and is not part of any domain. The real question is why do I need a controlled deployment set up just to avoid intrusive marketing. 

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    TheTraveler

    @Ray7: I believe this thread is about Elmers domain joined pc's

    One reason for controlled updates to give yourself, as a system admin, a chance to test updates before they get pushed out to the client. 

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    ScottWelker

    , TheTraveler wrote

    @Ray7: I believe this thread is about Elmers domain joined pc's



    Perhaps but "The real question is why do I need a controlled deployment set up just to avoid intrusive marketing." seems valid and relevant.

    My present client has large Windows powered displays in all our conference rooms. The incessant "Get Windows 10" messages that must actively be dismissed - over and over again - grows, very, very old. Give it a rest already...

    Yes! Yes! I know! There are a 1/2 dozen ways the client could ameliorate this. I get it. Do you?

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    AndyC

    , Ray7 wrote

    *snip*

    Because it's a single laptop that I had to buy for testing IE and is not part of any domain. The real question is why do I need a controlled deployment set up just to avoid intrusive marketing. 

    Don't get me wrong, the advert annoys me no end. I've an i7 HP laptop running Windows 8 that has a really flaky video card that bluescreens if you use it with any driver other than the one originally shipped with it (for Windows 7). Installing 8 originally was a pain, but 10 is a complete no-go since it steadfastly refuses to allow me to update without updating the graphics driver and  hence the installation fails and rolls back. So I'm stuck with the annoying advert offering me an update I can't take even if I wanted to.

    In a Domain environment though, the entire point is controlled management, so allowing random updates to be installed feels a lot like doing it wrong.

     

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    elmer

    , AndyC wrote

    So I'm stuck with the annoying advert offering me an update I can't take even if I wanted to.

    HKLM\Software\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\Gwx\DisableGwx (dword) = 1

    That is supposed to stop the GWX nagware

    HKLM\Software\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate\DisableOSUpgrade (dword) = 1

    That is supposed to stop upgrade attempts

    In a Domain environment though, the entire point is controlled management, so allowing random updates to be installed feels a lot like doing it wrong. 

    We actually have WSUS, although primarily for bandwidth sanity rather than second-guessing Microsoft's "recommended" or "important" updates.

    However, the challenge we find is with mobile users and remote home-offices, that are only connected to the company VPN on an intermittent and unpredictable manner. We found it better to let these use MS-Update and trust MS not to do anything underhanded...

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    Here's one more for the pile... 

    If we all believed in unicorns and fairies the world would be a better place.
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    Ray7

    , DeathBy​VisualStudio wrote

    Here's one more for the pile... 

    Ouch.

    :S

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