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Any news of the next version of Visual Studio?

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    Dr Herbie

    Discussion in the office showed a split between those of us who think that there will be a new version out in the next years or so, and t those of us who think that development of VS will have slowed down.

    Anyone got any details of the next version (when and what)?

    Herbie

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    Ian2

    My guess is that there will be a new version to tie in to the whole Win8/ARM/Tablet thing plus a VS2010 update for Mango and Kinect SDKs in a few months time.

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    felix9

    obviously they must release it months before win8 rtms, so they can have some more apps in their new appstore for the launch. my guess is about the current announced timeframe of SL5, which is 'toward the end of the year'. surely we will hear more on the september event, probably a beta.

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    figuerres

    or some kind of "Service Pack" or "Feature Pack" ??

     

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    contextfree`

    They've already talked a lot about .net 4.5 features (at PDC10), I'm sure it will follow the recent pattern of a release every two years or so (so early-mid 2012).

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    ryanb

    I'm expecting a VS2012, as has been speculated about in a number of places.  With all of the new stuff to support (Win8, WP7/WP8?, .NET 4.5/5, HTML5, etc.), they will definitely be ready for a new version.  For quite a while we have been hearing about things being worked on which are to be "fixed in VS.next" instead of some service pack, which wouldn't make much sense if the next version wasn't close.  It seems like there is plenty in the pipeline to get to a major version in the next year.

    A lot of the things discussed on here lately probably won't be ready for VS.next though.  I predict that we will see an acceleration to VS versions in the near coming years to keep up with the new technologies.

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    contextfree`

    What specifically don't you think will be ready, other than Roslyn/Compiler-as-service which we know isn't coming until a still later version?

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    ryanb

    @contextfree`

    Roslyn, Midori, Redhawk/MinSafe, tooling-related things (e.g.  I expect there will be HTML5 tooling, but it will probably be far from "complete", given that HTML5 isn't even complete), next-generation MFC, etc.   Who knows?  Maybe they will suprise us with a lot of good stuff, but a bunch of these things sound like they are on track for a later version than the next one.

     

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    spivonious

    I'm expecting more of a VS2010 SP2 update that adds support for .NET 4.5 and provides an HTML5 designer. But it's true that they've been releasing VS on 2-3 year intervals, so a VS2012 to precede Windows 8 wouldn't be out of the question.

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    Michael Butler

    Is there a need for a major Visual Studio release. Silverlight, MVC3 and WP7 have plugged new functionality into VS 2010 fairly well. HTML 5 tooling should probably plug in easily too.

    I'd guess on their being a VS2012, maybe to tie in with the next SQL Server release (as the current tooling is VS2008 based).

    Personally, I'd like to see more indvidual rolling releases like MV3 or WP7 tools, than have a whole new product released, but I'd guess that new "products" keep the MSDN subscription revenues rolling in.

     

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    W3bbo

    I'm looking forward to VS2012 butchering the code format controls even more than they did in the previous two versions.

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    felix9

    , Michael Butler wrote

    Is there a need for a major Visual Studio release.

    Absolutely.

    There are many fundamental new frameworks coming,
    http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/System-Language-Runtime-or-Project-Redhawk-surfaces-in-Windows-8/
    the ''C++ Renaissance' is not a joke, there will be a whole new world for native code developments, ranging from UI framwork to low level runtime architecture.

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    Michael Butler

    , felix9 wrote

    *snip*

    Absolutely.

    There are many fundamental new frameworks coming,
    http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/System-Language-Runtime-or-Project-Redhawk-surfaces-in-Windows-8/
    the ''C++ Renaissance' is not a joke, there will be a whole new world for native code developments, ranging from UI framwork to low level runtime architecture.

    But do those need a new Visual Studio or could they not just be "new addons" like WP7 tools or MVC 3. VS2010 seems able to take new functionality without a full blown release.

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    kettch

    @W3bbo:It should get better. I submitted a couple of issues on Connect regarding code editor feature regressions between 2008 and 2010 and was told that the features would be back in a future release. Since they rewrote the code editor from the ground up, their timeline didn't allow for 100% feature parity.

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    harlock123

    One thing that was shown at the vslive in Vegas was the fact that the update process for loaded projects did not affect the project from it's vs2010 form. So at least when it does show up, we won't have to test it on copies of our code. At least that's the idea anyway.

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    W3bbo

    , kettch wrote

    @W3bbo:It should get better. I submitted a couple of issues on Connect regarding code editor feature regressions between 2008 and 2010 and was told that the features would be back in a future release. Since they rewrote the code editor from the ground up, their timeline didn't allow for 100% feature parity.

    My main peeve with VS2010 is how it no-longer indents empty lines and always uses virtual-space when you press the return key. I did submit a Connect issue on this, but it was closed and marked "By Design" by the PM who introduced this 'feature' and said there were no plans to restore the old behavior.

    That's why I'm not waiting in eager anticipation for VS2012.

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    harlock123

    W3bbo I feel sorry for you I'd your environment gets impacted by something as innocuous as white space in your code files....

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    W3bbo

    , harlock123 wrote

    W3bbo I feel sorry for you I'd your environment gets impacted by something as innocuous as white space in your code files....

    In all seriousness, it does. Especially when sharing source files between different IDE versions.

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