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Apple fails to lead on wireless charging again

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    Ian2

    Oh dear, that headline says a lot about the state of the mobile world and tech reporting, not to mention the thinking at Apple (which I wonder borders on arrogance these days?)

    http://www.zdnet.com/article/iphone-6s-and-ipad-pro-apple-fails-to-lead-on-wireless-charging

    It's not just me is it?

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    magicalclick

    As much as I liked wireless charging on 920, it is not a big deal when I lose it on 1520.

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    figuerres

    , Ian2 wrote

    Oh dear, that headline says a lot about the state of the mobile world and tech reporting, not to mention the thinking at Apple (which I wonder borders on arrogance these days?)

    http://www.zdnet.com/article/iphone-6s-and-ipad-pro-apple-fails-to-lead-on-wireless-charging

    It's not just me is it?

    I think we will now start to see the return to reality now that steve's "RDF" power is gone.

    the hard truth is that apple has mostly been a case of better packaging and marketing of things that other companies did before them.

    Steve was great at driving  to make a product slick and look  good and at selling it. but only a few times did apple actually lead the way or invent anything new.

    but he had a knack for making a lot of folks think it was brand new and invented at apple.

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    TheTraveler

    Apple makes so incredible much money, but constantly changing those proprietary connectors they are using. All that they would loose if wireless became the way to do it. Apples business is to sell hardware. Why loose that hardware sale? To please the users? Why should they even think about them, when they buy into the apple way regardless and seems pretty happy with the way it is now.

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    kettch

    @figuerres: I also seem to remember Steve saying that handwriting is the worst input method ever and that shipping a stylus is a design failure.

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    Ian2

    https://www.thurrott.com/mobile/ios/5833/apples-ipad-pro-takes-on-surface

    Interesting read, though a little MS biased I guess.

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    figuerres

    , kettch wrote

    @figuerres: I also seem to remember Steve saying that handwriting is the worst input method ever and that shipping a stylus is a design failure.

    and the thing is that is / was a technical issue ....  it's a lot harder to make a general system that can "read" all of the different ways we hand write stuff. so until we have hardware and software that can get 90% or better at that then it's bad idea to try and sell it to the mass market. that is I think what Jobs saw. and being smart he was waiting for the right time to sell it.

    and I think that right now we are getting to that point and if he were still with apple he would start switching his pitch.  again a smart guy making a smart move, let others do the hard work to get it about right and then jump in when you can wrap it up and make it look cool and make bank on it.

    Look at how long MS has offered this and how it has gotten better each year but not hit mass market yet but it's getting there right now, lower hardware cost, more power per  $ of cost and better software / hardware that does the "reading" when they hit the right point  it will take off as we all learn to write and draw long before we learn to type and click.

    just like the tablet touch has taken off and the number of children who totally can use a tablet with touch.

     

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    magicalclick

    Disagree since Apple did an amazing job on Touch, App, App Ads, App Store, Siri, build-in HDR, gyroscope, much better nav app in first iPhone in competition, finger print reader, and more.

    When Apple did those, no one else is capable to competitive at the time. And to say they know how to package it, I say they know how to implement it.

    iPhone is the first Smart Phone that actually works. I consider anything before that, are failures.

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    figuerres

    , magicalclick wrote

    Disagree since Apple did an amazing job on Touch, App, App Ads, App Store, Siri, build-in HDR, gyroscope, much better nav app in first iPhone in competition, finger print reader, and more.

    When Apple did those, no one else is capable to competitive at the time. And to say they know how to package it, I say they know how to implement it.

    iPhone is the first Smart Phone that actually works. I consider anything before that, are failures.

    ok they had a good app store first but all the rest ? they were not first, my point was not that they did not take it to the mass market...  that they did, but all of the man-years of R&D were done by other companies first and they rode on that pretty much every time.

    check the history, touch for example was done long before apple put it on a phone or the ipad.

    high res screens - not an invention, just that they promoted it very well.

    "App" they used a term that many have used and made it a "brand name" kind of , adds are not an invention that is again marketing and packaging.

    finger print reading .... heck I know a guy who filed one of the first patents on that tech and he has nothing to do with apple....  and his patent was issued around 1997 or 98.

    like I said they have been very smart but not inventors, just the last stage of how to put some tech into a product.

     

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    bondsbw

    @figuerres:  Apple didn't really invent most of the hardware technologies it uses.  I think where Apple shines (or at least once did shine) is in designing software and hardware together.

    They didn't invent the touch screen, but they understood that when you touch a device and flick your finger from bottom to top, the item on the screen should move in the same direction and in a manner that mimics the kind of inertia you would see when performing the same action with a physical object.  Everyone else up to that point utilized concepts from the PC desktop world like scrollbars.

    As for the app store, they didn't even have one on the original iPhone at first.  I think they were designing it the whole time, but didn't want to ship until they had an app model that they felt was much more secure and "just worked" for the user.  Unlike a lot of what you saw in PCs and even Macs which often required UAC or admin passwords and gave the application installer too much control of the system during that time.

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    figuerres

    , bondsbw wrote

    @figuerres:  Apple didn't really invent most of the hardware technologies it uses.  I think where Apple shines (or at least once did shine) is in designing software and hardware together.

    They didn't invent the touch screen, but they understood that when you touch a device and flick your finger from bottom to top, the item on the screen should move in the same direction and in a manner that mimics the kind of inertia you would see when performing the same action with a physical object.  Everyone else up to that point utilized concepts from the PC desktop world like scrollbars.

    As for the app store, they didn't even have one on the original iPhone at first.  I think they were designing it the whole time, but didn't want to ship until they had an app model that they felt was much more secure and "just worked" for the user.  Unlike a lot of what you saw in PCs and even Macs which often required UAC or admin passwords and gave the application installer too much control of the system during that time.

    ok, you just said what I have said....  they are good at packaging it up and at selling it to the user.

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    magicalclick

    @figuerres:

    I would say the same to
    Windows copying Xrox, Word copy another word processor, Xbox copy Atari, smart watch copied Casio, Lexus copy Mercedes, everyone copies Ford assembly line, Gears copied .Switch, Halo copied Wolfinstine, and etc.

    It is not just repackaging. It is expended innovation that is "DONE RIGHT". It is repackaging, but, it is not just repackaging. There is a big difference.

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    Craig_​Matthews

    It doesn't matter who invented what. Apple, unlike nearly every other player in hardware and software, releases products that are finished, while Microsoft releases alpha quality code as the flagship browser of their new operating system, strips features out of products people already bought because they can't work the bugs out, and rewrites  bullet point features of their products more often than Google drops entire product lines.

    Yes, Apple knows how to take the things that they and other companies have researched and tested and integrate them and package them into a nice product. That's what I expect out of every company who's product I buy. It's why when Apple puts out a brand new product, it's actually finished and working.

    I don't care who invented anything first. What I don't like is paying for a product and finding that it's either not half done or the parts of it that are done get ripped out of my phone, literally while it's in my hand, 3 months after I drop several C-Notes buying it.

    There are really no good arguments against Apple's mobile strategy that can be made by any other player in that segment, especially Microsoft.

     

     

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    @Craig_Matthews: +1000

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    bondsbw

    , Craig_​Matthews wrote

    Apple, unlike nearly every other player in hardware and software, releases products that are finished

    Like the iPhone?

    And these apply to Apple quite often:

     releases alpha quality code

     strips features out of products people already bought 

    That's just a sampling.  I could give examples of how I can no longer retrieve my work email on iOS 9, and the number of times I've taken various Apple devices 60 miles to my nearest Apple Store for hardware repair (every Apple device my family has ever owned minus my current iPhone has been there at least once).  I think I've shown plenty that Apple isn't as perfect on day 1 as some give them credit for... not even to mention the security exploits that have plagued Apple operating systems of late.

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