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    giovanni

    Apparently Apple is droppint their rack server line. I guess that makes sense for a company that has so much success with consumers electronics and that is probably the best widely know media provider company of the planet (iTune had a quasi monopoly for years all over the world).

    Is this a signal they they will be moving away from servers and non embedded devices in a not so distant future?

    I simply wonder what kind of infrastructure they run at Apple.

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    Bas

    I'd be surprised if OSX made it to the next half of the decade, and if Macs still exist by the end of this decade. It'd probably make more financial sense for them to simply focus on iOS devices.

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    SlackmasterK

    , Bas wrote

    I'd be surprised if OSX made it to the next half of the decade, and if Macs still exist by the end of this decade. It'd probably make more financial sense for them to simply focus on iOS devices.

    You're missing the whole point. When you buy an Apple, they control the entire experience from the back end all the way to the front end. Hardware, software, handhelds, etc. Everything. So when anything breaks, you know exactly who to blame. Don't have to figure out what's wrong or whose fault it is, because you know it's Apple's and they'll figure it out. That reassurance is important to Joe User.

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    Bas

    Yeah... How exactly is that not the case when they just sell iOS devices? In fact, how is that not more the case when they just sell iOS devices?

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    W3bbo

    , giovanni wrote

    Apparently Apple is droppint their rack server line. I guess that makes sense for a company that has so much success with consumers electronics and that is probably the best widely know media provider company of the planet (iTune had a quasi monopoly for years all over the world).

    Is this a signal they they will be moving away from servers and non embedded devices in a not so distant future?

    I simply wonder what kind of infrastructure they run at Apple.

    If they're discontinuing the XServe, I wonder where it'll leave OS X Server. I understand the Mac Mini Server is modestly popular, but wouldn't surprise me if they ditched it entirely (because OS X-S doesn't do anything a standard (and free) Linux server can't, just more prettier).

    If Apple stops their server offerings they'll probably work on improving interopability with Windows Server; Apple started to die out in the mid-1990s because they neglected large deployment environments like schools and businesses (where NetWare and Windows Server moved in). Apple is a consumer products company, but they can't neglect the Enterprise.

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    intelman

    , Bas wrote

    I'd be surprised if OSX made it to the next half of the decade, and if Macs still exist by the end of this decade. It'd probably make more financial sense for them to simply focus on iOS devices.

     

    OS X is still pretty compelling. For enthusiasts especially. Looking at professional conferences, Google's talks especially, almost everyone has a MacBook Pro. Having something a bit more usable than Linux, but still retaining useful tools like the terminal that can support standard bash commands and vi editor really is nice.

    Truly, the MacBook Pro lines are pretty damn solid. The unibody construction feels great. Mag Safe adapter is nice, hasn't worn out unlike my Dells , HPs, and Toshibas where the charging jack becomes kinda flimsy. 

    I think OS X and Macs themselves have a place. Linux needs to get better, be more power friendly and gather support on a scale equal to that of OS X and hardware in general needs to step up its quality. Apple is ahead. Maybe the next decade those things can happen ... we'll see.

    I do wonder what Apple uses for their server infrastructure. What does iTunes back end run on? Mobile Me? Probably some type of Linux.

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    Bas

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying OSX will disappear because it sucks or has no place in this world. I'm saying it'll disappear because iOS will be far more profitable for Apple.

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    DCMonkey

    , W3bbo wrote

    *snip*

    If they're discontinuing the XServe, I wonder where it'll leave OS X Server. I understand the Mac Mini Server is modestly popular, but wouldn't surprise me if they ditched it entirely (because OS X-S doesn't do anything a standard (and free) Linux server can't, just more prettier).

    There's still a Mac Pro Server option.

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    W3bbo

    Truly, the MacBook Pro lines are pretty damn solid. The unibody construction feels great. Mag Safe adapter is nice, hasn't worn out unlike my Dells , HPs, and Toshibas where the charging jack becomes kinda flimsy.

    I was going to get a MBP when I needed to replace my laptop earlier this year, but Apple's keyboard design really puts me off, and the unit specs are comprable to high-end Sony laptops which are just as visually gorgeous.

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    intelman

    , Bas wrote

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying OSX will disappear because it sucks or has no place in this world. I'm saying it'll disappear because iOS will be far more profitable for Apple.

     

    I guess I could agree there. They did make a compelling case for keeping it at the Back to Mac event though, their Mac Business alone would be a Fortune 500 company.

    I really hope OSes like iOS do not become mainstream. We are moving backwards in a sense. Simplicity and pretty is nice, but functionality is also nice.

    W3bbo wrote

    *snip*

    I was going to get a MBP when I needed to replace my laptop earlier this year, but Apple's keyboard design really puts me off, and the unit specs are comprable to high-end Sony laptops which are just as visually gorgeous.

    Yeah their keyboard layout is kinda odd. It feels good though, quite almost clicky. Never looked at sony laptops honestly. They look great, but I didn't think they had the battery life the MBPs had.

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    AndyC

    , W3bbo wrote

    If Apple stops their server offerings they'll probably work on improving interopability with Windows Server; Apple started to die out in the mid-1990s because they neglected large deployment environments like schools and businesses (where NetWare and Windows Server moved in). Apple is a consumer products company, but they can't neglect the Enterprise.

    Apple haven't had a significant impact on those markets in a long time and, from my experience of trying to work with them, they pretty much gave up on trying a long time ago. It makes far more sense for them to focus entirely on consumer and SOHO markets, where an enterprise grade toolset is overkill.

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    giovanni

    , intelman wrote 

    OS X is still pretty compelling. For enthusiasts especially. Looking at professional conferences, Google's talks especially, almost everyone has a MacBook Pro. Having something a bit more usable than Linux, but still retaining useful tools like the terminal that can support standard bash commands and vi editor really is nice.

    Given how much more lucrative other markets are compare to laptops (say the app market) will they keep laptops even if they are successful? Sometimes I have the feeling they are a distribution platform more than anything else.

    I think OS X and Macs themselves have a place. Linux needs to get better, be more power friendly and gather support on a scale equal to that of OS X and hardware in general needs to step up its quality. Apple is ahead. Maybe the next decade those things can happen ... we'll see.

    I do wonder what Apple uses for their server infrastructure. What does iTunes back end run on? Mobile Me? Probably some type of Linux.

    Given their OS is based on BSD it seems pretty natural that other open source operating systems are very similar in functionnality.

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    giovanni

    , W3bbo wrote

    *snip*

    Apple is a consumer products company, but they can't neglect the Enterprise.

    Not just the enterprise but education and small businesses

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    Bass

    Apple actually runs Mac OS X on their publicly facing web servers (if you don't count Akamai's web servers, otherwise even Microsoft is running Linux).

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    GoddersUK

    @Bass:

    Really? Evidence? Because that's not what I'm seeing:

    http://searchdns.netcraft.com/?host=microsoft.com&x=0&y=0 

    vs. a minority of  OSX servers, a bunch of linux boxes and even a Windows server for  Apple:

    http://searchdns.netcraft.com/?restriction=site+contains&host=apple.com&lookup=wait..&position=limited 

    EDIT: re. the Apple servers, just noticed the Akamai vs. Apple distinction. But what you said about Microsoft still seems to be wrong.

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    magicalclick

    Since Pixar (originally a jobs company) is using Windows Azure for cloud rendering, I wonder if they will too switch to Azure. Tongue Out

    Leaving WM on 5/2018 if no apps, no dedicated billboards where I drive, no Store name.
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    BitFlipper

    , magicalclick wrote

    Since Pixar (originally a jobs company) is using Windows Azure for cloud rendering, I wonder if they will too switch to Azure. Tongue Out

    My understanding is that it was just a demo. I doubt any of the previous full-length Pixar movies were rendered on Azure (anyone with a link that has better info either way?). Even so, it looks like Azure is ramping up to do some pretty amazing stuff.

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