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  • cheong

    Summon banhammer for replica ads.

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  • Ian2

    Sorry to see HTC bow out but unless you are Apple or someone else trying to sell content then this is a difficult market I guess.

    http://www.coolsmartphone.com/2012/10/11/htc-drop-out-of-the-us-tablet-market

    So my fag packet analysis of differentiating factors that might be necessary for Tablet success:

    Google - Brand, Price,

    Apple - Brand ++, Quality

    Amazon - Brand, Content ++

    Microsoft - Brand, Quality, Office, New Hardware++

    Others - Price?

  • JohnAskew

    , Ian2 wrote

    Sorry to see HTC bow out but unless you are Apple or someone else trying to sell content then this is a difficult market I guess.

    http://www.coolsmartphone.com/2012/10/11/htc-drop-out-of-the-us-tablet-market

    So my fag packet analysis of differentiating factors that might be necessary for Tablet success:

    Google - Brand, Price,

    Apple - Brand ++, Quality

    Amazon - Brand, Content ++

    Microsoft - Brand, Quality, Office, New Hardware++

    Others - Price?

    Ok, you grisly limey, what is a "fag packet analysis" and why does it make me clinch?  Wink

  • Ian2

    , JohnAskew wrote

    *snip*

    Ok, you grisly limey, what is a "fag packet analysis" and why does it make me clinch?  Wink

    I guess strictly speaking that should be 'back of a fag packet' analysis (which basically means I didn't spend any real time on it).  Just listing the major factors that each Co has going for it as far as the future (large) 'tablet market' is concerned.

    So you wish you hadn't asked now ...

  • Dr Herbie

    @Ian2: I think it was the word 'fag' -- means something quite different over the pond.

    @JohnAskew: 'Fag' -> 'Cigarette'. (And 'Faggot' -> 'Small piece of wood; kindling').

    Herbie

  • blowdart

    , Dr Herbie wrote

    @Ian2: I think it was the word 'fag' -- means something quite different over the pond.

    @JohnAskew: 'Fag' -> 'Cigarette'. (And 'Faggot' -> 'Small piece of wood; kindling').

    Also faggot is a type of northern England sausage.

    This is one set of words best to be avoided.

    "Back of envelope" please.

     

  • RobGreenly

    Sorry to see HTC bow out but unless you are Apple or someone else trying to sell content then this is a difficult market I guess.

    See? The OEM bailing out because MS undercutting them has begun.

  • RobGreenly

    is this some kind of new account, haven't seen you around. Anyway, if you worry about Xbox selling at lose. Let me be clear. A) PS1 and PS2 are selling at lose before Xbox is getting into the market. B) There is NO OEM for PS and Xbox.

    Yes, monopoly is bad. Like Nintendo insist on selling console at profit because they can cash more from the consumers. Like how Google only provides turn by turn navigation on Android instead of iPhone. Like how Apple charges cloud storage instead of offering it for free like SkyDrive. If they managed to monopolize the market, just see the impact.

    Yes. This is why we need to work to crush all forms of monopoly.

  • magicalclick

    @Ian2:

    Lol your term makes me giggle.

    Leaving WM on 5/2018 if no apps, no dedicated billboards where I drive, no Store name.
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  • PaoloM

    , RobGreenly wrote

    *snip*

    See? The OEM bailing out because MS undercutting them has begun.

    More accurately, the OEM in question was never in the game to start with.

  • PaoloM

    , RobGreenly wrote

    *snip*Yes. This is why we need to work to crush all forms of monopoly.

    I want to crush the monopoly that OEMs have on OEMs products.

  • Ray7

    , RobGreenly wrote

    *snip*

    See? The OEM bailing out because MS undercutting them has begun.

    And what is MS undercutting them with?

  • RobGreenly

    And what is MS undercutting them with?

    Hi. Microsoft will undercut the OEMs with the advantage of not having to pay as much for the Windows 8 license as the OEMs

  • RobGreenly

    *snip*

    More accurately, the OEM in question was never in the game to start with.

    I suspect we will never find out the real answer. But the bottom line is that there is now one less OEM in the ecosystem. As in nature, when there is one less specie in the world, biodiversity suffers, and the world suffers. We won't know what cancer cures we can get from the Dodo bird.

  • PaoloM

    , RobGreenly wrote

    *snip*Hi. Microsoft will undercut the OEMs with the advantage of not having to pay as much for the Windows 8 license as the OEMs

    Evidence, please.

  • PaoloM

    , RobGreenly wrote

    *snip*I suspect we will never find out the real answer. But the bottom line is that there is now one less OEM in the ecosystem. As in nature, when there is one less specie in the world, biodiversity suffers, and the world suffers. We won't know what cancer cures we can get from the Dodo bird.

    Or maybe a deadly disease? Trust me, analogies can be pushed too far...

  • DeathBy​VisualStudio

    , PaoloM wrote

    *snip*

    Evidence, please.

    Maybe Microsoft will pay the license fee to a charity so it's fair? Or maybe they'll just give away Windows 8 to the OEMs. Seems like the only evidence you need is a little common sense.

    If we all believed in unicorns and fairies the world would be a better place.
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  • PaoloM

    , DeathBy​VisualStudio wrote

    *snip*

    Maybe Microsoft will pay the license fee to a charity so it's fair? Or maybe they'll just give away Windows 8 to the OEMs. Seems like the only evidence you need is a little common sense.

    Common sense has little place in the business world.

    It's a fairly well known fact that Microsoft was under a consent decree that prohibited such things and, while the consent decree is expired now, these practices are still in place. For example, how would you count a Windows license "gifted" from the WinDiv to the hardware guys building the Surface? The hardware guys are simply adding to the BOM the cost of the license and drive it down to the customer. Not doing that would raise allegations of dumping and potentially antitrust issues again (i.e. using a product - Windows - to drive sales of another product - Surface) just like Windows and IE years ago.

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