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    cbae

    , spivonious wrote

    @11101110: Giving a family a cow is promoting western values and religion? Whatever dude. It's teaching them to fish instead of giving them a fish.

    Didn't you know that Bill Gates is a closet Hindu?

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    vesuvius

    @MasterPi: The general ploy, is to start off posting mild and unoffensive material, then slowly work up to a ban, whilst irritating or poking fun at niners or Microsoft, Christmas is still 5 days away so be patient, we will see if the leopard can change its spots.

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    cbae

    , Ian2 wrote

    Actually, come to think of it, it does look as though Bill is only helping people that don't already have a PC on their desktop (or even a desktop come to that).

    Oh dear, that is in poor taste Ian.

    It's far more sinister than that. Today, they're going to avoid starvation by drinking the milk of these heifers, but tomorrow they'll be flooding the US with their newly-minted H-1B work visas and stealing 'Merkan jobs.

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    TheJoe

    stealing 'Merkan jobs.

    As in 'Merica?

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    Crap. I guess I taught my kids a terrible lesson based on what Beer said. This year we took the money normally spent on gifts and had each kid pick out an animal, water pump, educational gift, etc out of the Heifer catalog. Now instead of learning about caring for others they'll see through my ploy and know I did it for the tax credit. Thanks Beer for wrecking Christmas.

    If we all believed in unicorns and fairies the world would be a better place.
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    spivonious

    , DeathBy​VisualStudio wrote

    Crap. I guess I taught my kids a terrible lesson based on what Beer said. This year we took the money normally spent on gifts and had each kid pick out an animal, water pump, educational gift, etc out of the Heifer catalog. Now instead of learning about caring for others they'll see through my ploy and know I did it for the tax credit. Thanks Beer for wrecking Christmas.

    FTFY

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    cbae

    , TheJoe wrote

    *snip*

    As in 'Merica?

    Yes, it's just a different flavo(u)r of the same word.

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    cbae

    , spivonious wrote

    *snip*

    FTFY

    , DeathBy​VisualStudio wrote

    Crap. I guess I taught my kids a terrible lesson based on what Beer said. This year we took the money normally spent on gifts and had each kid pick out an animal, water pump, educational gift, etc out of the Heifer catalog. Now instead of learning about caring for others they'll see through my ploy and know I did it for the tax credit. Thanks Beer for reeking Christmas.

    FTFY

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    TheJoe

    Yes, it's just a different flavo(u)r of the same word.

    Kind of a grey/gray area.

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    Richard.Hein

    @SteveRichter:  Population is NOT growing unsustainably, anywhere in the world, actually.  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-24303537.  In fact, current rates of reproduction worldwide are less than what's required to replace the current population.  There are a few countries that are growing, but most are not.  And currently, we're not even close to carrying capacity, and that's not even considering improvements in agriculture and all other technologies required to improve living conditions.  Right now we produce, apparently, enough to feed 10 billion, and we have about 7 billion.  We have 5 acres per person, and 1/2 acre of arable land per person, based on current technology.  Not to mention, in another 100 years we should be mining asteroids for resources and have as efficient solar power as any plant has, and just doing that should provide enough resources for 100's of billions.  If we actually figure out terraforming with nanotechnology, the solar system can sustain a crazy estimate of 10^6 quadrillion people, according to some estimates. 

    Back down to earth, and current reality, see http://www.ted.com/talks/hans_rosling_on_global_population_growth.html.

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    Dr Herbie

    @Richard.Hein: Plus, of course, a lot of what Gates supports is education. This is essential to a country's development and to the individuals (making sure they're not ignorant about the links between diseases and poor hygiene, for example). A rule of thumb is that educated countries tend to democracies and that ignorant countries tend to dictatorships. Education is an essential long-term goal, while food and agricultural help are immediate concerns.  Bill Gates is smart, he knows the strategies to help where and when it's needed.

    Herbie

     

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    kettch

    @Dr Herbie: I've never heard of Heifer International, but education seems to come along with the critters. Not just "here's a cow", but rather "here's a cow and here's how to use it".

    It's surprising how many charities are focused on dropping off food and moving on, but don't actually leave any kind of lasting impact. Doing that is pushing people into depending on outside help instead of learning how to make things better.

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    Sven Groot

    , wkempf wrote

    OK, how many times does this yahoo need to be banned? Why is he still here? Beer, take your toys and go home, you're not wanted around here.

    I don't have the ability to ban people (unfortunately, it would've helped a lot with some of the large volume spammers; I don't think I would've actually exercised that ability in this particular case).

    I wouldn't help anyway. All banning him accomplishes is that he'll be back later using a different name.

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    dahat

    , 11101110 wrote

    Somebody who gives people their tax write-offs as holiday gifts would be more deserving I think.

    Are you aware of how tax write-offs work? Of course not, many things still confuse you it seems.

    If the cow cost $500, that doesn't mean he lowers how much tax he is paying by $500 (or more)... it means that his taxable income is reduced by $500, and his actual tax bill by a fraction of that.

    Just factoring in this cow... assuming he's still in the 39.6% tax bracket, and his only income is from long term cap gains (@20% IIRC)... and has a net taxable income of... lets say $10 million a year (assuming he likes to live big)... his tax bill would be on the order of $2,000,000 before this... while with this $500 write off, his tax bill goes down an astounding $100 to $1,999,900.

    Clearly you are also the sort who thinks it makes tax sense to buy a house or have kids just for the tax perks... ignoring the fact how much money you spend in order to get the lessor tax benefits.

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    Jason818

    Holy Cow!  How fun!

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    MasterPi

    @vesuvius: Yeah, but ban him for what's actually bannable...not just because you think he might later be a jerk.

    , Sven Groot wrote

    I wouldn't help anyway. All banning him accomplishes is that he'll be back later using a different name.

    The better thing would be to just ignore him, but the majority of Niners can't seem to do that. (and of course, I just contributed to it)

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    Ray7

    , 11101110 wrote

    I dunno. Bill's a billionaire. He gave this girl the gift of giving a cow to somebody else's family for charity. It's a bizarre Secret Santa gift. It's only $500, plus it doubles as a tax write off for him.

    Why only $500? Good question. The reason is that Gates has a better understanding of human nature than you do.

    The purpose of the donation is to highlight that charity is about helping get someone on their feet; it isn't about supporting them indefinitely. Hence he gives a cow rather than handing over the cash.

    The size of the donation is to demonstrate that helping someone in this way doesn't require someone to hand over a billion quid. 

    Seems pretty clear to me that Gates is simply highlighting how more people can help.

     

     

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    11101110

    Does this all strike you as a very, very cheap, if not free publicity stunt?

    The real, non publicity stunt Bill Gates would have cloned Reddit, the way he tried to clone YouTube with Soapbox, Netscape with IE, iPod with Zune, iPad with Surface, Mac with Windows, ect... and made his own secret Santa. Nevermind that it's open source, he wouldn't just set up an instance, he would feel the need to make a "Windows version" for no good reason, other than to claim he has a better alternative.

    As to the point of him setting an example of using tax payer money to fund emerging countries with a small donation of $500 (that everyone can afford); 

    I see people on the corner of every major intersection of major California city with signs complaining about how they are starving to death. I would be all for shipping livestock to other countries when we have given a cow to every single last one of those people.

    It's so bad Tim Draper wants to annex the poor in California to their own states(perhaps like the Japanese camps in WWII?) That way their "interests" don't get in the way of his 1% tax base.

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    How can we fund livestock for poor people in other countries, when we can't even get people off the street begging in the United States and specifically in California?

    This is just an example of the lunacy of the 1% in America.

     

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