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    ESgarbi

    For a few days now the 'News' Section of buildwindows.com was removed and I also remember the last post had a lot of negative comments about the pricing and lack of agenda information. Does anyone know the reason why it was removed?

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    figuerres

    I think your post sums it up....

    bad pr that they have allowed to happen.  MSFT had a chance to make this a great venu and so far has not done it at all.....

     

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    Ted.w

    The agenda's been updated!!! they added the attendee party and ask the experts.

    Tuesday, Sept 13

    7:00am - 9:00pm Registration
    9:00am - 11:30am Keynote
    1:00pm - 5:30pm Big Picture Sessions
    5:30pm Welcome Reception

    Wednesday, Sept 14
    7:00am - 6:00pm Registration
    9:00am - 11:00am Keynote
    11:30am - 6:00pm Sessions
    7:30pm - 11:30pm Attendee Party

    Thursday, Sept 15
    8:00am - 7:00pm Registration
    9:00am - 5:00pm Sessions
    5:30pm - 7:00pm Ask the Experts

    Friday, Sept 16
    8:00am - 3:00pm Registration
    9:00am - 3:00pm Sessions
    3:00pm Conference ends

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    cairn

    I know they wish to keep thins secret but it would be nice to know what we are missing.

    The info for build is not good, in Channel 9 videoing it, is the keynote going to be stream, please let us know.

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    Ian2

    The keynotes will be streamed live.

    They usually try and make everything else available within 24 hours

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    cairn

    I've looked around and found nothing to confirm this, infact nothing about the conferance apart from the web site which says nothing

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    Harlequin

    I still feel bad for developers who couldn't get manager approval because of no agenda...

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    PaoloM

    ,cairn wrote

    I've looked around and found nothing to confirm this, infact nothing about the conferance apart from the web site which says nothing

    Plenty of people from Microsoft confirmed, in fact, that the keynotes will be streamed live and all the sessions will be made available shortly after they take place.

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    PaoloM

    ,Harlequin wrote

    I still feel bad for developers who couldn't get manager approval because of no agenda...

    Too bad for them, the agenda has been quite obvious since the announcement: Build is the conference centered around developing for the next versions of Windows.

    It's basically a PDC plus WinHEC (from the hardware side).

    Again, this is not some secret knowledge...

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    aL_

    Build is the conference centered around developing for the next versions of Windows.

    Yeah, thats clear as day... "its a IT conference, you know, information technology". 
    PR-tagline != agenda

     

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    Bass

    I think they are trying to be more "Apple-ish". Does Apple ever release an agenda for any of their conferences? If you go to an Apple conference and expect anything less than pure awesome, you aren't really worthy enough to go.

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    PaoloM

    Well, what did you know about Windows 7 before the 2008 PDC? Pretty much what everybody knows about Windows 8 before Build. Sinofsky instituted a set of guidelines to avoid diluting the core message, but Windows, as an organization, is infinitely more open and transparent than Apple.

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    Harlequin

    Yeah, but the 2008 PDC there was an agenda. You could see there were 14 Silverlight sessions, and you could circle the 6 you'd go to. There were some JavaScript/HTML ones, I'll hit one of those. I'm interested in some WPF, maybe I'll hit that one there.

    Look at the build agenda: 11:30am - 6:00pm Sessions

    Now you might way this is a "Windows" conference, also hardware, but it doesn't say what "kind" of development....Silverlighrt? HTML5/JQuery? WPF? IE 10 stuff too?

    I'm a "front-end dev", having a major focus on Silverlight apps, also lots of HTML/JQuery...was the //build for me?

     

    My God, even the //build homepage has contradictions left and right. An example:

    A few sentences say "IE 10" and "the future of Windows" ...and on the right-hand side it says "loves the freedom of the web"...this is confusing.

     

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    SteveRichter

    ...  but Windows, as an organization, is infinitely more open and transparent than Apple.

    Microsoft wants to be more like Apple. Apple makes a lot of money.

    Windows 8 looks to be about splitting Windows in two parts. Windows used by businesses. Which need programming. And Windows used by consumers. Which needs apps.

    Build is likely to be about how to write apps that will be sold thru and deployed by Microsoft onto the consumer windows desktop. A great opportunity for programmers to make some money. But I would not expect a programming paradigm breakthru. If anything, there will be more than a few restrictions regarding what your app can do and how much access it has to the resources of the PC.

     

     

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    Ian2

    @SteveRichter:Agree, but also Microsoft wants to allow iOS and Android devs an easier way to port their apps to the new Windows Marketplace, hence some focus on HTML5 for apps. 

    I am also hoping that VS2011 willl bring support for targetting iOS,Android and Win8 from one set of source code (HTML5 based apps only of course).

    Like I say, I am an optimist..

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    figuerres

    ,Ian2 wrote

    @SteveRichter:Agree, but also Microsoft wants to allow iOS and Android devs an easier way to port their apps to the new Windows Marketplace, hence some focus on HTML5 for apps. 

    I am also hoping that VS2011 willl bring support for targetting iOS,Android and Win8 from one set of source code (HTML5 based apps only of course).

    Like I say, I am an optimist..

    Ian:   i have 3 co workers that have iPad's and iPhone's and what they want are "Apps" not html.

    Honestly I see only a very limited market for HTML/JS on the iPhone/iPad and Android

    I think most users want apps not pages. some cases are there for the cross platform HTML apps but even then i see iPad/iPhone users wanting the apple / iPhone look and feel so if you have to spend time making 3 or 4 different sets of UI so that each user of a different device likes how it looks and works then why even do HTML ???

    I think if you are going to target the other devices it's better to just get the tools and build a real app unless you can make it really simple and common to all of the devices and you can get away with it.

    Microsoft is trying to win a battle that is already done.   HTML5 is just a buzzword they are using to try and sound hip.  

    I love the idea that was silverlight but i can see that they gave up on the multi-platform silverlight and i think we are going to see WPF and Silverlight merge into one thing and be windows only very soon.

     

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    Ian2

    @figuerres:So you are not an optimist then?

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    BitFlipper

    ,Bass wrote

    I think they are trying to be more "Apple-ish". Does Apple ever release an agenda for any of their conferences? If you go to an Apple conference and expect anything less than pure awesome, you aren't really worthy enough to go.

    If the only thing you do is make baubles that a lot of people buy, then you don't need an agenda. On the other hand, if you have more than 1 billion customers using your products to run real businesses on, then you do need an agenda.

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