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  • vesuvius

    Attractiveness to business usually means working on xp. In three years plus WPF development this has been my Achilles heel. Designing win 8 applications is for people that need a tablet app, in fact this all is really long term with no real immediacy about it as I don't see how any engineering, scientific or security applications in the future will opt for Win8 as there is no real benefit, especially writing them in javascript

  • felix9

    ,Simo wrote

    hmm . Anyone any idea how I can catch Sinofsky's keynote now that it's over?

    Go to http://www.buildwindows.com/, start the video player, jump to the red mark.

  • aL_

    @vesuvius:

    how is xp an obstacle to using wpf?

    anyhoo, we've all seem what a powerful force consumer-ifying things can be.. alot of business folk have iphones even they arent really tailored for business, especially compared to win mobile

    hyperV is also a pretty business centric feature too i'd say Smiley

  • vesuvius

    WPF in xp is not so good graphics card wise

  • aL_

    @vesuvius:

    sounds more like a hardware issue Smiley

  • vesuvius

    Win mobile was good but hard to use. The minute I saw the stylus, I thought, no thanks. If someone had had the vision of nice hardware and a touch ui, it would have taken off.

  • vesuvius
  • xgamer

    @versuvius : I do agree with wpf slowness in many cases but have u looked at SL5 .. With it's 3d and p invoke capabilities it seems a Good replacement for desktop heavy use apps .. I hope its supported on xp

  • aL_

    @vesuvius:

    well ive been writing complex wpf apps for xp for a while and they worked just fine.. perhaps it works better in some scenarios than others Smiley

  • spivonious

    My thoughts after finishing up the keynote.

    1. .NET desktop development is all but dead. ASP.NET will live on, but the future of desktop apps is WinRT using C#/XAML or JS/HTML. Even Silverlight seems to be on the way out. Did anyone notice him running WinRT-targeting code on the phone?

    2. The smaller footprint, insanely fast boot times, and attention to detail (e.g. upgraded Task Manager, taskbar on both monitors) makes me excited to see what else is in there.

    3. Roaming profiles in the cloud are awesome.

    4. The ability to save a "reset" image is fantastic for home users and OEMs. No more searching for the recovery disc or waiting hours for the recovery partition to install everything. Just click reset and you're back in business.

    5. App store listing non-immersive apps is a great idea and is sure to get the number of apps way past Apple's AppStore numbers very quickly.

    6. Support for x86 and ARM in new apps without recompiling.

  • vesuvius

    Particularly in image processing and video processing applications xp is an impediment

  • AndyC

    ,vesuvius wrote

    Particularly in image processing and video processing applications xp is an impediment

    Thankfully the single best piece of news in the entire keynote was that XP is now running on less devices than Windows 7.

  • Cara9

    ,PerfectPhase wrote

    Anyone know what the '+ add all videos to queue' option on the video pages does?  Is there a download manger somewhere or a private favourites/playlist?

    There is not currently a download manager or favorites list but we have been working on a personal queue feature like Hulu or Netflix. Looks like parts of it got accidentally exposed this morning with all of the Build updates happening. Smiley

  • Adam​Speight2008

    When is the Day 1 KeyNote going to be available? I was watch in delay and then it just cut out at about 02:15:00, was the Live Streaming finished?

  • spivonious

    ,Adam​Speight2008 wrote

    When is the Day 1 KeyNote going to be available? I was watch in delay and then it just cut out at about 02:15:00, was the Live Streaming finished?

    My stream ended around 3:45:00 (started around 1:10:00).

  • cbae

    ,spivonious wrote

    My thoughts after finishing up the keynote.

    1. .NET desktop development is all but dead. ASP.NET will live on, but the future of desktop apps is WinRT using C#/XAML or JS/HTML. Even Silverlight seems to be on the way out. Did anyone notice him running WinRT-targeting code on the phone?

    I don't know how you can say that. All of the sample C# code that I saw in the keynote had .NET namespace references, as far as I could tell. Maybe those namespaces weren't technically part of the .NET framework, but as long as you're using C# and can bind data to UI elements using XAML mark-up, who really cares? 

  • Bas

    ,spivonious wrote

    My thoughts after finishing up the keynote.

    1. .NET desktop development is all but dead. ASP.NET will live on, but the future of desktop apps is WinRT using C#/XAML or JS/HTML. Even Silverlight seems to be on the way out. Did anyone notice him running WinRT-targeting code on the phone?

     

    Wait, how is .NET development all but dead if desktops apps will be WinRT using C#/XAML?

    Edit: Oh, I see what WinRT actually is now. Huh.

  • spivonious

    ,cbae wrote

    *snip*

    I don't know how you can say that. All of the sample C# code that I saw in the keynote had .NET namespace references, as far as I could tell. Maybe those namespaces weren't technically part of the .NET framework, but as long as you're using C# and can bind data to UI elements using XAML mark-up, who really cares? 

    They said that they went to great lengths to get WinRT namespaces to match .NET namespaces so that apps wouldn't need too many changes. I'm sure we'll learn a lot more at the WinRT session, but .NET was not mentioned once, only the languages were (C#/VB/XAML). Right now it seems that WinRT is a native wrapper around Win32, almost like an updated MFC.

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