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    blowdart
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    spivonious

    I love that MS does this with most of their conferences.

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    Ian2

    We are very lucky - have to admit though I would be dissapointed now if this wasn't the case.

    Still like to be there in person though (can't afford it this year)

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    Harlequin

    @spivonious:But any that are so silent and tight-lipped? I'll bet $50(I'll throw into a charity) that Charles won't be able to get an interview or anything  from anyone about the conference. And we won't see anything like we've seen from Mike Swanson in the past with other conferences.

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    magicalclick

    @spivonious:

    me too. Although I am already know the keynote is. Win8. ActiveDestop 3.0. WPF. SL. WinPh. IE10. Azure. Kinect. Not surprising for me. Just some repeated statements Balmer said last year.

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    CKurt

    @Harlequin: I do really hope for a "Countdown to /BUILD//" show with Mike Swanson. But I'm also thinking it would not provide much news or clarification. Still it would be nice.

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    Ian2

    ,CKurt wrote

    @Harlequin: I do really hope for a "Countdown to /BUILD//" show with Mike Swanson. But I'm also thinking it would not provide much news or clarification. Still it would be nice.

    +1

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    vesuvius

    @CKurt:I think they will have a beta that will allow people to start building on the net platform the have been working on. With a conference based around just a single item i.e. the new Windows OS, I fail to see how it could be any other way.

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    CKurt

    @vesuvius: I don't think the conference is based on a single item. It's about Building for the next generation of windows. And as Ballmer likes to day "It's all windows".

    Windows 8 , Windows Phone , Windows Azure, Windows Embedded, Windows Xbox: okay, almost everything is windows.

    With the new 'MinWin' references found in Windows 8 i think the conference will provide a way to be cross-windows-platform by writing your app ones but still providing optimal UI for every kind of screen. As many people already said: the .NET framework wel be melded into the core OS and will be available anywhere.

    Yes it will me a new way of writing applications, but it will use familiar techniques like XAML , databinding.

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    vesuvius

    @CKurt: So the single item is cross platfom development for the new OS. Windows Phone and Windows Azure are nowhere near finsihed so they are new anyway. Embedded systems almost always need to pInvoke anyway so no amount of magic will resolve that as Microsoft do not make hardware. For me the cross platform feature is simply for Windows to run on tablets, and unless Mango gets thrown out the Window I find it hard to see how this new version impacts anything apart from the OS as all the technologies you have mentioned are evolving heterogeneously .

    5 weeks to go anyway, we'll have to wait and see.

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    CKurt

    Mango is allready RTM, I expect to hear something about Windows Phone 8. Rumors are all windows platforms will run the same core at some point in the future, and windows phone 8 will make use of the same MinWin as Windows 8. (However it is strange since it is based on a Windows CE build which is very different from regular windows).

    About PInvoke, I'm expecting some 'managed' way to write C++ style drivers/apis so the need for PInvoke will be removed from the dev cycle in the future. In .NET 4 the use of dynamic and named and optional parameters has make interaction with native stuff a bit more easy on the eye but I guess some huge new thing will be coming out of Microsoft with regards to 'native' stuff. Something of a blur between native and managed.

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    Dr Herbie

    One of the original visions on .NET was that it would eventually come to replace COM as a system-wide integration method (sorry, can't find reference from 2002) -- currently .NET calls are converted to COM and run by the system; in the future they would swap over and any COM calls would then get translated into .NET calls while .NET apps get 'direct access' to system calls.

    I'm hoping for this to be announced (or at least the first steps towards it).

     

    Herbie

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    CKurt

    @Dr Herbie: Yes, that was the sort of thing I was talking about. Here is a +1 for hoping they announce something like that!

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    PerfectPhase

    ,CKurt wrote

    Mango is allready RTM, I expect to hear something about Windows Phone 8. Rumors are all windows platforms will run the same core at some point in the future, and windows phone 8 will make use of the same MinWin as Windows 8. (However it is strange since it is based on a Windows CE build which is very different from regular windows).

    I'm hoping that the lack of any native dev tools for ISVs on WP7 means that they plan to swtich at some point from the CE kernel to Win8, and with a bit of luck, all the current stock of apps will keep working.

    @Dr Herbie:  I remember before .Net was released it was being called COM+ V2 

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    CKurt

    @PerfectPhase: I'm hopeful to. But it must be a HUGE task to switch out all underlying components and not break any compatibility. Unless they really only modified the runtime. Thing is, the native hubs were not developed with the Silverlight tools, they were created while the tools were in development, so they must be integrating really tight!

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    ZippyV

    ,CKurt wrote

    @Harlequin: I do really hope for a "Countdown to /BUILD//" show with Mike Swanson. But I'm also thinking it would not provide much news or clarification. Still it would be nice.

    I've sent them a tweet: http://twitter.com/#!/SpriteXP

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    CKurt

    @ZippyV: Lets hope we get some response!

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    magicalclick

    @Dr Herbie:

    is that related to multi-versioning feature in .NET? a part of ending DLL hell movement?

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