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    Redd​Howard335

    Electricity has been a boon for humanity. And the cozy candles that many participants will light, which seem so natural and environmentally friendly, are still fossil fuels  (paraffin comes from petroleum) —and almost 100 times less efficient than incandescent light bulbs.

    Are you aware of this? Is it true that 60 minutes all lights off will help Mother Earth?

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    Maddus Mattus

    Mother earth will continue to spin around the sun, as it has done for billions of years.

    It's our vision of grandeur that we have the ability to destroy the planet.

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    cheong

    Light off 60 minutes will help power plants to determine the minimum level of electricity needed.

    For Hong Kong, I don't think it'd help much though, as our electricity company will sell any excess electricity to ShenZhen, there's simply no incentive for them to generate less power.

    Then again as I've said before, for any fossil fuel burning power plant, it require more fuel to spin up the stalled turbine than to keep it spinning for an hour. So if they want there be real help to mother earth, they should tell people to switch off things for more than half days, and after that EP folks can have real argument to ask power plants to burn less fuel for that day.

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    Proton2

    I haven't watched this video (update: I watched it, just 2 minutes long), but it seems to cover what you mention:

     http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9SVVADAX_cU

    And discussion of the video here:

    http://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/earth-hour-s-counterproductive-symbolism-by-bj-rn-lomborg

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    I will also note that if CO2 really and truly was / is a problem, the effects / affects would be on humans a few hundred years from now, whereupon some of them might have to move a little bit further away from the coasts due to sea level rise. The earth itself should be just fine.

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    evildictait​or

    Maddus Mattus wrote

    Mother earth will continue to spin around the sun, as it has done for billions of years.

    Venus is both the closest planet to Earth and the planet closest in size to Earth. It has a similar size, gravity, and bulk composition to Earth.

    Despite being further from the Sun than Mercury, Venus is by far the hottest planet in the Solar System due to it's atmosphere of carbon dioxide. It has no carbon cycle to lock carbon back into rocks and surface features, nor does it seem to have any organic life to absorb it in biomass. Venus may have possessed oceans in the past, but these would have vaporized as the temperature rose due to the runaway greenhouse effect.

    Studies have suggested that billions of years ago, the Venusian atmosphere was much more like Earth's than it is now, and that there may have been substantial quantities of liquid water on the surface, but, after a period of 600 million to several billion years, a runaway greenhouse effect was caused by the evaporation of that original water, which generated a critical level of greenhouse gases in its atmosphere. Although the surface conditions on the planet are no longer hospitable to any Earthlike life that may have formed prior to this event, the possibility that a habitable niche still exists in the lower and middle cloud layers of Venus can not yet be excluded.

    So in conclusion, Maddus, you're right. Even with runaway Global Warming, Venus still orbits the Sun. Not sure I'd want to live there though.

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    Bas

    Why is this the climate change forum now?

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    GoddersUK

    Guys, I found a photo of ReddHoward335's family:

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    cheong

    @Bas:In CoffeeHouse we can talk anything we like as long as it don't violate the forum rules.

    Btw, I DO expect thread talking about latest "hit" Science topics here.

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    Maddus Mattus

    @evildictaitor: I see your Venus, and raise you Mars,..

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    Bas

    , cheong wrote

    @Bas:In CoffeeHouse we can talk anything we like as long as it don't violate the forum rules.

     

    We can, but why has this become the place to debate climate change?

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    Maddus Mattus

    @evildictaitor: from Wikipedia;

    "Despite the harsh conditions on the surface, the atmospheric pressure and temperature at about 50 km to 65 km above the surface of the planet is nearly the same as that of the Earth"

    So, we can find earth like conditions on Venus, it's just a matter of how far deep we plunge into the planet. If we plunge deeper into the earth we can find higher temperatures as wel,. No greenhouse theory that applies there. Same with Mars.

    We can conclude that the mass of the atmosphere determines the temperature on the surface and not some greenhouse effect.

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    cheong

    @Bas:Maybe you can make suggestion to add tags for threads, so you can make these "science" threads invisible to you if you don't like it.

    Or you can just move along, as there's nothing you interested to see here.

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    Maddus Mattus

    @Bas:

    I think because it has been created into a problem that is starting to affect every aspect of our lives,.

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    Bas

    , Maddus Mattus wrote

    @Bas:

    I think because it has been created into a problem that is starting to affect every aspect of our lives,.

    Why here though? Wouldn't a forum that's part of a website about climate change be a more effective place?

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    Maddus Mattus

    @Bas: Good question,.

    I think it's because Channel9 is unbiased. We have both supporters and opponents of the theory here.

    If you look at the climate change websites to debate on, there is no meaningful debate going on. You have a huge applause machine on both sides of the debate, nothing constructive can come from it.

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    evildictait​or

    , cheong wrote

    @Bas:Maybe you can make suggestion to add tags for threads, so you can make these "science" threads invisible to you if you don't like it.

    Or you can just move along, as there's nothing you interested to see here.

    No. "science" threads are really interesting.

    It's just all of these threads where people pretend that global warming has been debunked by some guy with a talkshow that have gotten really boring now.

    If you've disproved global warming, give yourself a pat on the back and send your thesis to someone who cares over at the IPCC or at a peer-reviewed journal or something.

    Otherwise, chances are you're wrong, and we'll leave it at that until your thesis changes the scientific consensus on the matter.

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    cheong

    Science threads are interesting to me too. Just maybe not so interesting for those who are not interested.

    IMO climate change is a real concern, but there's no point to "just do something" without considering whether it'll actually help or not.

    Motivating people cost you their "consideration" and "inconvenience" and they are also "limited resource" for most people (depleted people will become less likely to join future "save our earth" events). It's wrong to "waste" them for no good reason.

    Take this "Earth Hour" campaign for example. If you think about how power plants' fuel consumption works, you'll know it has no direct impact on lowering CO2 level. However it's always good to remind people that we should save electricity, and I'll comment that it's an effective activity in that sense.

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    evildictait​or

    , cheong wrote

    Take this "Earth Hour" campaign for example. If you think about how power plants' fuel consumption works, you'll know it has no direct impact on lowering CO2 level. However it's always good to remind people that we should save electricity, and I'll comment that it's an effective activity in that sense.

    I'm not sure that anyone seriously thinks that Earth Hour is the solution to climate change, or that it makes an important difference to our annual CO2 output. It's clearly a campaign to raise awareness.

    People saying that "Earth hour does not directly reduce CO2, therefore they are 'fraud warriors'" or "Earth Hour didn't reduce emissions, therefore we shouldn't try and reduce energy consumption at all because it makes no difference" is about as intellectually honest as saying "I watched a monkey for a whole hour, and he didn't evolve into a human, therefore evolution doesn't happen".

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