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    elmer

    Ok, so everyone knows the story.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-21954636

    The thing I don't get is that Cyberbunker are supposedly launching this illegal DDoS attack in defense of 'freedom of internet choice' and all the usual BS that goes with that argument.

    However, Spamhaus don't 'block' anyone, they simply collate a list of servers that they believe are spammers, and people can choose to use it or not - freedom of internet choice.

    WTF are these idiots at Cyberbunker thinking they'll achieve by this action ?

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    kettch

    How many people who are for "freedom of internet choice" are willing to put up with more spam for their beliefs?

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    Bass
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    elmer

    @Bass:I suspect that most people with an IT background understand that the 'DDoS brings internet to the verge of collapse' is just hype. It is certainly having some limited impact, but by and large, the internet remains unaffected.

    However, what I am not able to understand is how Cyberbunker, having been listed by Spamhaus as a spam source, thinks it can justify its activities and/or improve its position, by launching (or even simply condoning) a DDoS attack, regardless of it's size. This just seems insane.

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    dahat

    , elmer wrote

    However, Spamhaus don't 'block' anyone, they simply collate a list of servers that they believe are spammers, and people can choose to use it or not - freedom of internet choice.

    Their lists are however used by ISPs to block.

    This sort of thing has happened before... where anti-spam organizations have been successful in their aims, leading to the lashing out of the no-good-nicks who feel wronged because their viagra messages ads are now less likely to be seen.

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    Bas

    I have little sympathy for spammers, but I don't think the situation is as cut-and-dried as it's being made out. 

    , elmer wrote

    However, Spamhaus don't 'block' anyone, they simply collate a list of servers that they believe are spammers, and people can choose to use it or not - freedom of internet choice.

    They may not actively block anyone, but because their lists are being used by so many people, they effectively have gained the power to block people, simply by adding them to their list. Besides, you can "choose" not to use the Spamhaus lists, but their service has become vital. By "choosing" not to use it you're setting yourself up for a world of hurt.

    Add to that the fact that their tactics are somewhat heavy-handed: an Austrian domain registrar asks for proof that registration information is incorrect (because they cannot, by law, just suspend some domains just because Spamhaus asked them to) and rather than providing said information Spamhaus just puts their mail server on the spam support services list. 

    I've also seen it happen, repeatedly, that companies sending legitimate newsletters are put on a list because some fool forgot he subscribed to it and reported it as spam.

    To me, the whole situation sounds a lot like two immature whingebags fighting their own little war. What with Anonymous and now this, why does the internet seem like it's ruled by angry 15 year olds?

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    wkempf

    , Bas wrote

    To me, the whole situation sounds a lot like two immature whingebags fighting their own little war. What with Anonymous and now this, why does the internet seem like it's ruled by angry 15 year olds?

    You mean it's not?

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    dahat

    , wkempf wrote

    *snip*

    You mean it's not?

    That's like saying the drug war down in Mexico which from time to time spills across the boarder is also "sounds a lot like two immature whingebags fighting their own little war." ... but only when viewed from a distance and without paying much attention

    Where there is money to be made and a willingness to ignore the law... force will be used to protect it.

    For most people, the only indication they have of the underground drug economy/war is when you see a story on the news about a shootout between rival gangs or some government agency announcing a drug bust and showing off the amount of drugs and cash they seized.

    Physical borders being what they are to the internet, many an international group has long been attracted who attempt to find their own way to make quite a bit of money with it.

    Again, be it police being successful in pushing drug producers/transporters/dealers/etc out of a given area, or widely used black lists successfully decreasing the effectiveness of ones profit making ventures... force is to be expected from those who see the law as something to be ignored.

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    ZippyV

    , Bas wrote

    I've also seen it happen, repeatedly, that companies sending legitimate newsletters are put on a list because some fool forgot he subscribed to it and reported it as spam.

    Spamhaus doesn't work that way.

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