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Dean Hachamovitch: IE9 Questions and Answers - The C9 Questions Thread

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    Inker

    First off, I'm liking it alot, finally an IE that is fast, good work.

    But when it comes down to it I simply cannot use the tabs-ui. My average is at least 10 tabs, and sometimes many more. I realize you can't display 50 tabs efficiently at once, but limiting it to what, 3-4 at once? I would really like to understand the reasons behind this. If your average user really only has that many tabs open, and you specifically cater for them, the please don't be suprised if no advanced users will ever use it.

    The other big thing for me is addons-support, specifically greasemonkey and ad-block plus. What work is being done to enable such addons in the future?

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    Bydia

    1. Can the Home button moved to left of browser back/next buttons?  It's such a far distance from navigate back to nagivate all the way back to home... these should be side-by-side.

    2. I heard that there were reports that the favorites were rarely used so that feature wasn't improved.. it could be they weren't used much because the original design is bad.
    Can Favorites, History, Downloads and other such lists be made into tabbed pages that can be search/filtered like google chrome 6? ... rather than the many year old dialog?

    3. Can the search box be separated from the URL box?  Now I can no longer return to search from a different search engine.

    4. Can more meta data be added to favorite links such as number of visits to a site?.. etc.

    5. Can the URL box be made longer, I can no long see the complete URL.

    6. Can a Programmable API be added to select desired IE modes on the WebBrowser Control?

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    Charles

    Thanks for all the great questions. Smiley For the web developers out there, please ask some dev questions that you want answers to. Go, go, go!

    C

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    magicalclick

    BTW, I am too lazy to dug up the posts, but, as in regard to Fovorites Sync, it has already been released. It is called Live Mesh out-of-beta. Which you can sync folders, fovorites and office theme.

    Leaving WM on 5/2018 if no apps, no dedicated billboards where I drive, no Store name.
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    Charles

    Has anyone built an app to test IE9's HTML5 implementations? Smiley
    C

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    exoteric

    @Charles: Not yet, but how about a perf test? Tweaked an ancient homepage to test drive IE 9 (easy (original), hard, ultra).

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    Charles

    @exoteric:Excellent. Sharing with IE perf team Smiley

    C

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    elmer

    http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc351024.aspx

    There are an awful lot of NO entries in the CSS3 sections for IE9

    A GLARING omission is the lack of support for Text-Shadow

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    kai_mvp

    I'm sorry to see that requests of power users are getting ignored over and over. Doesn't it occur to the IE team that the great success of Firefox in the non-geek community is driven by requests from power users and subsequent implementation by FF developers?

    The decision to move addressbar and tabs bar on one row is an awful decision. Your telemetrics must be misleading. From my experience, most "ordinary" users have much too many tabs open and not "less than five". They also tend to leave their IE running for days and not close any tabs. A typical behavior is to search at Bing or Google and then open several fitting links in a new tab. This way people easily go to ten or twenty tabs in short time. I have hardly seen a browser (any type) open with less than ten tabs on *any* user's PC unless it was opened fresh. So, something with your telemetrics is clearly wrong.

    One user mentions that tab groups were a complete waste of dev time if your telemetrics were true. Indeed! If people were behaving like you think tab groups would be useless, throw them out!

    There's indeed room for streamlining the UI and toolbars. For instance, putting address bar, Favorites bar and command bar on one row may make sense for many people. Or using the title bar for tabs or display of the (ooops) title. It's just ridiculous that IE9 has a title bar that is almost empty. Do you really think that is what people want? An empty title bar and tabs where they can't read the title? Unbelievable.

    One of the factors of why IE6 has been such a great success was its UI flexibility. One was able to drag the toolbars in almost any "shape" and layout, including putting them all on one row (remember, that was before tabs were added in IE!). Ever since the UI flexibility was degraded by the IE team with every new IE version (actually it was decreased much with IE7, increased a little bit with IE8 and found its low point with IE9 now). Have a look at Firefox during that same time. While the flexibility in the IE UI degraded during this time the UI flexibility in Firefox increased. And the market share and popularity of Firefox increased, too. Think about that.

    One user posted a screenshot that shows that putting address and tabs on two rows doesn't necessarily give a better usability. Right, not with the layout shown on that screenshot. I wonder if it never occurred to the IE team that one can move the tabs bar to a row of its own with IE8. I don't see that any other solution could top this. Unless one were able to display the tabs in the title bar or vertical (at least on a widescreen). Why is it so hard for the IE team to understand that the IE9 solution is a usability nightmare?

    Thanks for listening.

    (Btw, that screenshot shows another problem with tabs: the ... abbreviation marker. That marker is useless. It takes valuable space that could be used to display yet another one or two characters. If you want to cut space start there!)

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    JoshRoss

    Was there a video response to this thread, if so could someone link to it?

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    Charles

    @JoshRoss: There will be:) Soon.

    C

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    androidi

    My 2nd IE9 question in this thread: Will this be fixed (click image to enlarge)? There's no new feature in IE9 that would make me switch if this isn't fixed when it hits RTM.*

     (8800 GT 1 GB, w7 64 bit. Driver is 197.45 (04/2010) and not upgrading it because latest 200 series whql driver is Crash-sauce for some applications, it's possible it won't even report the crashes back to Nvidia since the crash are in the app)

    IE learns how to fuzzy up text from WPF

    * (save for the team giving away high-DPI 24-26" displays with CRT-like latency and color quality) Smiley

    PS. Connect shows this blurry/fuzzy text issue was reported when the first Preview came around, pre-empting the "too late!" that often is heard when reporting anything of substance during beta's in Connect.

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    Charles

    This is actually going to take place in a week or so. Keep asking questions, especially developer-focused ones, but open to all, of course.

    C

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    magicalclick

    A bumpped thread? Anyway,

    Is there any way to turn off HW acceleration? My HP Laptop + IE9 Preview 6 + Boat Demo = Black Screen with overlapping text in the middle. It is not crash, but, the rendering is all screwed up. If it is using CPU mode, maybe it will run properly. I am not planning to get a new laptop to support IE9 compatibility issues.

    I will not switch at all if all I get from HTML5 are screwed up rendering.

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    JoshRoss

    Typically in a release cycle, where you go from CTP to Beta, to RTM, the feature set is fixed by one of the early beta releases. WIth IE9, there have been a lot of releases and with each release there has been new features.

    Was this something that was planned or did your team run across low hanging fruit and just decided to grab it as you went along?

    ...Here's another one...

    The IE team has boosted performance and submitted many conformance tests for browsers implementing features of CSS, HTML, or x-Script, but from what I can tell, has not released any libraries for using these features in a coherent higher level way. Other MS teams have summited code to popular libraries like jQuery. Does the IE team plan on releasing a cross browser compatible library that really sings under IE?

    -Josh

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    JoshRoss

    I hate to flood the tread, but... Has the Yahoo deal had any influence on features or priorities for Internet Explorer? 

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    AndyC

    Do the IE team still feel like they're playing catch up or are they now at a point where future versions of IE might start to drive new ideas once again?

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    intelman

    What is up with DirectWrite? How come it looks fine on some pages and horrible on others? To me this is the most significant change of the web. Text readability on digital displays will only become more important.

    Firefox 4 also seems to have adopted this notion that we should be using directwrite.

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