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Do you find yourself straying from the .Net world?

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  • SuperSpit

    With all the uproar about windows 8, html5 and javascript etc etc do you find that your looking or looking hard at other languages etc.

    I've been a Ms Developer for about 15 years now and from VB to c#. Before that as a 13 year old teaching myself z80 then going on to 6502 and then 68000 finally onto C and C++. But now i feel like until Build I'm not that intrested in MS technologies. I must admit its been fun , exciting and scary looking else where and a programming world without c# scares the living daylights out of me. Dont get me wrong I've never ingored the the rest of the Programming world, I've always got an eye out for other stuff.

    so what have you looked at or looked at harder since "The Shift" ?

    mine are

    1. Leaning javascript properly (still yuk!) not becuase of MS but the day job is web dev.

    2. Ruby, something I've always told myself i didnt have the time for.

    3. Node.js, I was just curious.

    cheers

    Johnny

     

  • aL_

    Imo "the shift" hasnt really happened yet and im not at all sure that it will happen in the foreseeable future either..

    Apps are more numerous than ever and most of them are written in either in java, .net or object-c, not html+js. I think its always good to look at multiple languages and technologies, but i dont think its wise to throw out all your experience based on a rumor about an os that isnt even at the beta stage Smiley

    What i've done lately is looking more at c++ and gpu programming (in the context of directx, im an ms fanboy after all)

  • Maddus Mattus

    A language is just that, a language,..

    Rest is just frameworks,..

    Learning new framework is the same pain in the *ss on any platform,..

    So, I dont forsee any trouble,..

  • Frank Hileman

    I was a C++ programmer many years ago. I am working with C++ again to work on Direct2D, and I am sure other developers are using C++ with Direct2D. Many people are working on apple platforms, learning objective-c. Ruby, node.js, these are old languages that came back as a result of "fads".

  • vesuvius

    I have been complaining a lot of late in this forum, and don't want to seem all negative all the time, so I'll say that I am now looking to solve problems with non Microsoft technologies e.g. a recent project used nHibernate and not Linq to SQL or EF (yes I know it's .NET).

    CSS and JavaScript will be a feature of the next Windows version, and I will look at Eclipse and Dreamweaver but we'll see. I'm not going to force myself to use inferior tools for the sake of it, but Amazon looks a pretty good package for the cloud, both in tooling and price.

  • Blue Ink

    I don't believe in "the shift", as you call it... not hiding my head in the sand, but you tend to get a different perspective when you are involved day-to-day in maintaining old stuff (and I really mean old). We may be in for something new, evolutionary or revolutionary, time will tell, but whatever happens in the next few months, it will be years before it starts to matter. At least to me.

    If anything, I have started being more selective in the list of stuff I am willing to study. I'm a sucker for new techology and languages in particular, but I'm not willing to put in the canonical 10,000 hours until their future is clear. And for what it's worth, JS didn't make it above the "if and when" bar yet.

  • JeremyJ

    @SuperSpit: I have been developing in .NET since it was introduced.  I don't plan on leaving it any time soon.  It still has the best tools and languages.  I think all of this nerd panic is just false assumtions and rumors.  Microsoft is not about to abondon 10+ years of work to jump back into the stone age of purely HTML and javascript.  It doesn't make any sense to do so.

  • raptor3676

    I'm pretty comfortable with C# and .net technologies being my prefrered development platform since it's begining (and really embracing it since .net 2.0).  But recently I've started to miss my C++ background, and I would like have the chance to get back to it.

    That being said, at this time the only thing that prevents me from starting a new project in pure C++ is the fact that using UI or database APIs from C++ are pretty odd and certainly very painful to use (at least from a .net point of view) with the more cooler stuff requiring either too much kung fu or to much spaghetti code.

    In fact the one thing that gets me excited about Win8 is the probablity of having a native XAML-like environment available for native C++.

  • magicalclick

    Balmer Said, WPF = app and HTML = web, the end. If you want to develope app = WPF. If you want to develope web = HTML. Simple as that.

    As for active desktop 3.0 or Vista Gadget 2.0, I have been saying this for a long long time.

    Leaving WM on 5/2018 if no apps, no dedicated billboards where I drive, no Store name.
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  • CaRDiaK

    The software I am working on lately has warranted me spending more time on the likes of JS, CSS, jQuery so in a way YES, I have been concentrating my efforts elsewhere as of late. But it's totally coincidental... 

    We can only see a short distance ahead, but we can see plenty there that needs to be done.
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  • elmer

    I am a refugee from the pre-PC era, had to be dragged (kicking and screaming) into the PC era, and now Steve Jobs tells me we are entering the post-PC era.

    I don't want to know about it, it's all too hard, please make it stop!!

  • magicalclick

    ,CaRDiaK wrote

    The software I am working on lately has warranted me spending more time on the likes of JS, CSS, jQuery so in a way YES, I have been concentrating my efforts elsewhere as of late. But it's totally coincidental... 

    most jobs moved from client-app to cloud. So yeah....

    Leaving WM on 5/2018 if no apps, no dedicated billboards where I drive, no Store name.
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  • vesuvius

    @magicalclick: the cloud represents a huge percentage of what people do away from school or work

    Watching TV and films

    Streaming music

    Writing stuff in forums

    Shopping

    Thats a lot of time spent in a web browser supported by the cloud

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