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Does anybody actually run W7P on a Windows HD2 phone?

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    IsThisReally​Beer

    So I was looking at maybe getting a HD2 for QA purposes so I shopped around a little bit and found this one at NewEgg.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16875502039

    $279 is still pretty expensive for what amounts to a marketing failure, but I thought I would read the user reviews first.

    Then I quickly realized that people are just buying the HD2, wiping Windows Mobile 6.5 off of it, and installing Android.

    If you click on the Feedback tab on the page you see this:

    Pros: This phone still out preforms most of the competition, great screen, fast and very hackable. It's fairly easy to root this and stick Android on it and that makes it one of the best android phones out there. I'm particularly fond of the MIUI ROMS, blows everything else away.


    Other Thoughts: I installed Android on mine, it works much better than windows mobile. Windows marketplace is small but android is amazing. Just google how to put android on HTC HD 2.

    Other Thoughts: Get it put a updated radio on it an nand hacked android runs great with 4g.

    Other Thoughts: Head over to XDA Developers and install android on this phone, you will realize the difference instantly.

    Other Thoughts: Get it. For under $500, and with T-Mobile, it's a steal. Hack the device and put Android on it (search XDA Developers) and get an out of contract service agreement with T-Mobile. It's cheaper that way.

    So Engadget released an article this year that a W7P ROM had been made available through the community for the phone:

    http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/13/htc-hd2-gets-its-very-own-windows-phone-7-rom/

    So why are people still installing Android if a W7P Rom is available (You can find it quite easily with teh Google).

    I may still buy the phone and put the W7P ROM on it, but right now I'm deciding on whether it's a $279 waste to even test on W7P. I certainly would never have a company pay for a $500+ phone running it natively for QA purposes only. Most of the apps now are web based, and the phone would just be bought to test the W7P mobile browser and maps interactions with Google.

    But shouldn't Microsoft be subsidizing all of this?

    It's their fault it's such a sh1tty platform. I am also in mobile dev circles and I hear Mango sucks from OEMs.

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    PaoloM

    You do realize that you can contact Microsoft and get a Dev unit for free, right?

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    IsThisReally​Beer

    @PaoloM:

    OMG, you're actually being helpful for once. Where do I sign up?

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    IsThisReally​Beer

    I sent an email to our Microsoft rep because you didn't specify any contact information. I doubt he will know what the hell you are referring to but hopefully he can forward the offer you made on behalf of your old company and get us the phone, quickly and for free, and without the follow up hassles that usually accompany such a request with Microsoft.

    IE, I don't want to be sitting at Dennys with people from Google and get a call from a Microsoft rep asking if our QA is going ok with the phone they sent. That happened with other freebies from Microsoft in the past, and it really pissed me off. I can't say how much I appreciate the fact that Google leaves you alone.

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    W3bbo

    ,PaoloM wrote

    You do realize that you can contact Microsoft and get a Dev unit for free, right?

    I thought that was a limited-time offer and was issued on a raffle basis.

    Who do I contact then?

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    IsThisReally​Beer

    The MS Rep replied:

    Generic Forum Image

    [ I created this entire screenshot using Microsoft promo software as not to offend the indigenous population of this message board ]

    I tried my best to protect his identity.

    At any rate, he said to go to a certain website and get a certification that required 3 reference letters from customers TO MICROSOFT, as if you were actually going to ask your customers to write them to a third party so you can get a phone, and also to employ at least 2 people that have passed multiple MSFT exams for mobile app certification.

    All this, not to actually write a W7P app, but just to get a device to QA a mobile web app on to make sure it opens media and Google Maps properly.

    That being said, even there, the free W7P phone offer was not at the specified website in any visible place even with a disclaimer of meeting certification standards.

    I then went to the W7P developer site, logged in to see if that special offer existed there, and it did not.

    Here is the process at Google:

    Q: Hey, I need a Google Logitech/HTC/Samsung device.

    A: OK, here's a coupon code. You go to the OEM, enter the code, and bing bam, 2 days later your device arrives. You don't get annoying sales calls, put on spam lists, and you can actually develop for the platform.

    Microsoft is so fvcking retarded, words can not describe such a company.

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    cbae

    @IsThisReallyBeer: Why don't you describe the process that you used to get your new Macbook for free?

    I did a search on "how to get a free android device from google", and it turned up nothing like you described.

    Perhaps you left out "Sign up for Google I/O and pay $500 first." from your process.

     

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    IsThisReally​Beer

    @cbae:

    Perhaps you left out "Sign up for Google I/O and pay $500 first." from your process.

    No, I didn't only get devices from I/O, I got devices from numerous initiatives at Google simply by asking. The only device from I/O that required a coupon code was the Samsung Chromebook and that wasn't used at the OEM, but rather at Amazon.

    They give away devices at GTUG also.

    And I have never paid $500 to get into Google I/O.

    Microsoft is clearly just trying to ensnare you into some chaotic self made version of the licensing crying game in order for you to get a device that's running W7P, hence it's virtually useless.

    Here's a phone, now pay 10x the cost in fees to get it - Microsoft

    Here are devices, if you make money with them, it will come back around - Google

    Google doesn't put hooks and snares into it's developer programs to bleed developers. Only a company formed in the pit of mordor by evil could manage such a thing and still enjoy their yearly million dollar bonuses without sleeping problems.

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    cbae

    ,IsThisReally​Beer wrote

    @cbae:

    *snip*

    No, I didn't only get devices from I/O, I got devices from numerous initiatives at Google simply by asking. The only device from I/O that required a coupon code was the Samsung Chromebook and that wasn't used at the OEM, but rather at Amazon.

    They give away devices at GTUG also.

    So you haven't described any formal program to get a free device. You have to contact somebody and give some sob story about why you deserve a device and you *may* get one.

    The Windows Phone team does that too. Start crying loudly enough on Twitter, and if Brandon Watson notices you, perhaps he may send you one with no strings attached.

    And I have never paid $500 to get into Google I/O.

    So you got the $100 early bird discount and paid only $450 instead of the $550 regular price. So did I. BFD.

    Microsoft is clearly just trying to ensnare you into some chaotic self made version of the licensing crying game in order for you to get a device that's running W7P, hence it's virtually useless.

    Here's a phone, now pay 10x the cost in fees to get it - Microsoft

    Here are devices, if you make money with them, it will come back around - Google

    Google doesn't put hooks and snares into it's developer programs to bleed developers. Only a company formed in the pit of mordor by evil could manage such a thing and still enjoy their yearly million dollar bonuses without sleeping problems.

    Take off the tinfoil, buddy. This is getting OLD.

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    IsThisReally​Beer

    The end result of this is that I have determined that it's not worth testing applications for W7P.

    Those who buy W7P phones and use these applications which see hundreds of thousands of visits per week can root their Windows phones and install Android or buy an iPhone instead if they want to display the pages and media properly just as the users in the NewEgg feedback for the HD2 did.

    Microsoft doesn't have what it takes to win on mobile and this is the proof.

     

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    cbae

    @IsThisReallyBeer: There was no end result. This was a pre-meditated attempt to trash Microsoft again and profess your love for Gougle and Androyd. 

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    IsThisReally​Beer

    @cbae:

    Had MSFT not lied, I would have received the phone and delegated it for QA purpose usage as stated.

    Heck, if MSFT had not lied, I may have actually bought the HD2 and flashed W7P on it.

    This negative experience has taught me better. +$280 cha-ching.

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    cbae

    ,IsThisReally​Beer wrote

    @cbae:

    Had MSFT not lied, I would have received the phone and delegated it for QA purpose usage as stated.

    Heck, if MSFT had not lied, I may have actually bought the HD2 and flashed W7P on it.

    This negative experience has taught me better. +$280 cha-ching.

    What did Microsoft lie about?

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    IsThisReally​Beer

    They wrote that I can get a W7P device for free for QA.

    It's a straight up lie right from MSFT.

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    cbae

    ,IsThisReally​Beer wrote

    They wrote that I can get a W7P device for free for QA.

    It's a straight up lie right from MSFT.

    Did Microsoft ask you for money?

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    IsThisReally​Beer

    @cbae:

    I can't distribute the details of where the MS Rep told me to go, but there's no such benefit to any mobile competency listed on the benefits page, and there is no such mention of an offer.

    It simply doesn't exist.

    And it surely doesn't exist on the Windows 7 Phone dev site I posted in the screenshot.

    They lied. I want to say "as usual" because I've heard them say the darnedest(untrue) things over the years, but I will leave it at that. Suffice it to say I am not surprised.

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    cbae

    ,IsThisReally​Beer wrote

    @cbae:

    I can't distribute the details of where the MS Rep told me to go, but there's no such benefit to any mobile competency listed on the benefits page, and there is no such mention of an offer.

    It simply doesn't exist.

    And it surely doesn't exist on the Windows 7 Phone dev site I posted in the screenshot.

    They lied. I want to say "as usual" because I've heard them say the darnedest(untrue) things over the years, but I will leave it at that. Suffice it to say I am not surprised.

    Answer the question. Did Microsoft ever ask you for money for that free phone?

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    IsThisReally​Beer

    @cbae:

    Um, I think I made it clear that there is no free phone.

    I want some of what you're on.

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