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Does windows phone have a flagship/marketing problem

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    Jaz

    So I admit it, I'm a sucker for marketing. 

    MWC is starting this week and it's looking increasingly unlikely (based on my own speculation) we'll have a new Windows Phone 8 flagship device announced from any of the main Microsoft manufacturers.

    HTC and Sony have played their cards for their flagship android devices for the first half of the year (the One and the Xperia Z respectively), and we're still waiting to hear from Samsung about any Galaxy or Note follow ups.

    As I said, I'm a sucker for marketing, so that while the One and Xperia Z have been announced, the differences to my phone usage (internet browsing, messaging, angry birds, news apps) won't change that much with these new flagships as to my old flagship, nor will it change very many other peoples use. However the public perception of seeing a new flagship, the hype around it, does mean most will be loking to them for their contract upgrades over the next few months.

    I get the feeling Microsoft and it's WP8 partners want to ape Apple in some ways.  They want to release one flagship (per manufacturer) a year rather than a cavalcade of devices throughout the year. I really would like a Nokia 920, but it feels old compared to the Xperia Z and the One...

    anyone else feeling the same?

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    Bas

    I've not looked into the 920 or the Experia Z or the One, but why does the 920 feel old in comparison to it?

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    PerfectPhase

    I much prefer the HTC-8X to the Nokia 920, but the camera is much better on the 920.

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    magicalclick

    Yup, loving 920 glove screen and stable cam.

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    GoddersUK

    Should Windows Phone OEMs even be focussing on high value flagship products. Engadget doesn't think so.

    http://www.engadget.com/2013/02/15/rethinking-the-flagship-nokia-lumia-620/

    It certainly makes some good points. I guess the key question is how much do these flagship devices drive mass market adoption (which, with the exception of Apple, will probably not happen to the flagships themselves)?

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    WebDuino

    I had an Android phone which broke, so I'm using my girlfriends old Windows 7 phone. 

    PROS
    - Mobile MS Office Apps
    - Live Tiles
    - Navigation
    - Ease of use
    - Outlook.com email integreation is butter!!

    CONS
    - Locked down, can't even customize tile colors
    - No central download area
    - APPS #@%&^^%%^&&^
    - APPS Cost 200-400% more, and NEVER get updated.
    - APPS Very limited selection
    - Locked down, can't download unsupported file formats.
    - Locked down, app developers are limited to what they can do.
    - Locked down, can't switch out default browser
    - Locked down, can't remove Bing for search
    - Games = WEAK
    - eReader = LOL

    Microsoft is really missing the potential of what Windows Phones could be. They need to allow more freedom with their devices. I shouldn't have to hack into the phone registry to change my tiles to a custom color. Developers should have less restrictions on the ability to customize the phone outside of a sandboxed app. MS needs to throw some money behind developers and get more apps, better apps, and cheaper apps on the marketplace like BB did with 10. All the slick television commercials in the world won't make people buy a phone with a sickly marketplace.

    I have a great idea for a game, but should I spend all my time creating it for a marketplace where user reviews number in the dozens or one where they number in the thousands? For me the win phone market is a bad wager, but having a web developer background making a Windows 8 (Desktop) App with languages I'm familiar with is very appealing.

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    magicalclick

    At least it didn't break. You can change tile color, just not the exact color you like for text contrast.

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    elmer

    I'm unconcerned about apps, downloads, games, readers, alternate browsers, search providers, music, photos, camera, etc etc, as I simply don't use them. I also couldn't give a rat's a* about themes and spending my time customising a phone.

    That's not to say I don't appreciate that other people do care about such features, just that I think there is a large market for people who just want a phone that is intuitive to use and cheap to own.

    I happen to have a Nokia 920 because work provided it, but they could have given me a Nokia 620 (or 120 if such a thing existed) and so long as it ran WP I would have been perfectly satisfied.

    The one thing I can say about the 920 is that it appears to continue Nokia's tradition of toughness, after I've already managed to drop it down a flight of bare-concrete stairs in the building's fire-escape, and it only has a small scratch as evidence of that. I tried out an iPhone for a short while (courtesy of work) but managed to destroy it within a few weeks, while my previous Nokia survived years of such abuse, so let's hope this phone can do the same, as I'm unlikely to get less clumsy.

    The one big failing of this (and similar) phones is the battery life, and that is what I'd like to see improved.

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    WebDuino

    @elmer - If you don't care about any of that stuff you might as well get a razr flip phone from 2004.

    My Anrdoid was very intuitive to use, and was only $100 (maybe 200 don't remember) with a contract. You can get a really good Android for $1 if it's been on the market for a few months and catch a special.

    A smartphone of any brand seems like an overkill for you. I like having a phone with a great e-reader because I like to be able to read wherever I'm at and have some down time. I'm a very viusal person, so for me being able to customize is important.

    Being locked down is a huge turn-off for me, and one reason I would never buy an iPhone. I don't feel like I should have to jailbreak my device to have something usable. My droid was non-rooted and I could FTP or SSH into a server, edit html, and so much more. If I had a client with trouble I could fix something simple in a pinch even sitting at a table at a restaurant. Try doing that with a Windows Phone!

    I'm not a MS basher. I have an xbox, wanted to love Windows phone, wanted to love Windows 8, wanted to love Surface, but they seem to keep dropping the ball. Vista was a complete disaster, but I really like Win 7. I was hoping 8 was going to continue the awesomeness, because I love the Metro UI, but it really sucks to use unless you have a touch screen, which I don't.

    I think I would try a BB 10 before going with another Windows Phone. I have a feeling they will have the same app market issues (even if not as bad) so I will probably be an Android user for many years to come.

    I agree with you though. Nokia makes the best phones. I had three drops from about waist high kill my Motorola, which is why I have an LG Win 7 for now. Planning on getting a Nexus 4 very soon.

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    elmer

    @WebDuino: I think you might be misinterpreting what I am saying here.

    I'm not trying to be a retro-grouch demanding that I get my GSM 6310 back (although I did love it) but rather that I doubt the real market is for flagship phones, or that it is driven from the top down. Not everyone needs (or even wants) an iPhone, Galaxy or high-end WP8, even though all the noise might be about them.

    Nokia made their fortune with simple, basic, cheap phones, and it seems to me that securing that market with a lower-spec, smaller, cheaper phone, that still offers the facilities of WP8, would ensure they still have a market for their flagship models.

    I suspect that by focusing on flagship models like the 920, Nokia is allowing their large and loyal customer base to slip through their fingers.

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    magicalclick

    @WebDuino: I am a supporter of lockdown. So I am a happy camper. There is no need to tell MS to take away something I like.

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    Proton2

    @WebDuino: I have the 7.8 update and the pdf reader is vastly improved.

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    cheong

    , WebDuino wrote

    CONS
    - APPS Cost 200-400% more, and NEVER get updated.
    - Locked down, can't download unsupported file formats.

    1) I think I've got 3-4 updates for Apps every month or so, so it's hardly "never".

    2) Indeed. What's more, even if you have viewer for that document type, you may not be able to open it.

    For example, I have "PDF Reader" App installed. When opening Outlook PDF attachments, it'll be opened using the App. However when I try to download PDF on the web, IE keep insisting no App for opening PDF installed, and offer to search in MarketPlace. Fine, so I said "go ahead", but then it returns "no App for opening this file type is found". Can anyone figure out how to workaround it? My company relies on PDF a lot when passing documents around to other companies. 

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    cheong

    , WebDuino wrote

    Being locked down is a huge turn-off for me, and one reason I would never buy an iPhone. I don't feel like I should have to jailbreak my device to have something usable. My droid was non-rooted and I could FTP or SSH into a server, edit html, and so much more. If I had a client with trouble I could fix something simple in a pinch even sitting at a table at a restaurant. Try doing that with a Windows Phone!

    FTP would be a no doer unless you have memory card addon (because of file system lock down). Since Lumia 920 don't have microSD expension slot, I haven't been drilled into this.

    For SSH, there's a free SSH App avaliable already. The only drawback for me is that it doesn't support display/input Chinese characters, so can't use it to connect BBS.

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    elmer

    Actually, perhaps one app I could find a use for on my Lumia - a 3CX client app for our PBX. Currently, 3CX only offer client apps for iPhone and Android phones, which seems a bit strange for a Windows-based PBX. There is talk of a WP8 version, but 3CX take ages to deliver on their announcements.

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    WebDuino

    cheong wrote

    *snip*

    1) I think I've got 3-4 updates for Apps every month or so, so it's hardly "never".

    I have Windows 7, so things may be different for you. I won't even use apps from small developers, because those can become abandonware on any platform.

    -Take Angry Birds Star Wars. How many updates since it was released? NONE!!! EVER!!
    Android and iOS have 300-400% more levels which were added with updates.

    - Look into Pocket Gods. Not being updated AT ALL. Again Android and iOS have vastly more levels. At least 200% more, but probably in the 300-400% more range as well.

    I could go on and on. Simply put many apps NEVER get updated. To add insult to injury they cost more money. You can buy 3 Android apps for the cost of 1 Windows app. The app marketplace is a huge reason MS is not getting decent marketshare.

    Say what you want about BlackBerry, but they were smart to guarantee $10,000 to anyone who gets their app accepted into their marketplace. They will be launching BB 10 with a more impressive app store than Windows app store which had a 2 year head start.

    With Microsoft's deep pockets they could even do one better and give developers a 1,000 to 2,000 dollars upfront so they can afford to spend time working on it. For the cost of a television commercial to be aired a few times they could have a whole army of people making apps for them. It seems like a no-brainer to me.

     

     

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    elmer

    , WebDuino wrote

    *snip*

    -Take Angry Birds Star Wars. How many updates since it was released? NONE!!! EVER!!

    Android and iOS have 300-400% more levels which were added with updates.

    I suspect that WP7 is largely an abandoned app platform.

    Not that I've ever played it, but just out of curiosity I checked this out.

    Current WP8 Version - 1.1.2

    Current iOS Version - 1.1.2

    Current Android Version - 1.1.2

    My droid was non-rooted and I could FTP or SSH into a server, edit html, and so much more.

    I've seen a few FTP Client apps for WP8, and I've even seen a FTP SERVER app complete with it's own virtual file manager.

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