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    magicalclick

    Hi all, just want to open a thread about your dreams for Microsoft. What you wish Microsoft "products" or "services" to offer. And please don't be negative about someone's dream. Everyone is entitle to their dream. Every success starts with a dream. Bill Gates starts with his dream. Let's share our dream, regardless it is good or not. For me,

    • I wish MS would expend Metro to desktop taskbar and resizable window mode and it will have special indication that it supports window mode.
    •  I dream faster web based Bing map.
    • I dream Illumniroom come to realization.
    • I dream TVs and cheap toys have Windows inside instead some other free OS.
    • I dream Windows Photos phone has its own Navigation without Nokia Drive.
    • I dream Windows Phone screenshot can be easier.
    Leaving WM on 5/2018 if no apps, no dedicated billboards where I drive, no Store name.
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    OrigamiCar

    I'd like to see in Windows 9 MUCH better support for Windows Store style apps for business and internal use.

    Specifically:
    Keep allowing us to produce Windows Store apps like we can today, using the walled garden approach/full screen/etc.

    But also allow us in Visual Studio to mark in the manifest that the app is for internal or business use, not for distribution in the Windows Store. By checking that box, it tells Visual Studio that we have extended access to the Metro API's that are currently restricted in Windows Store apps, allows you to produce apps that can run windowed/resizable etc. Oh and make enterprise loading of 'Internal Modern Apps' as easy as it is with Winform apps , forcing enterprises to pay $30 per computer for a certificate so you can use your own developed metro apps on your own computers, inside your own enterprise is beyond ridiculous. A simple Click Once type install would be perfect.

    Background to this is there's a few of our internal admin and merchandising apps we would love to move from Winform/WPF and redo using Metro technologies. But there's no way our users want them running full screen. We're also staying well away from the hell that is Microsoft's implementation of side loading Metro style apps for enterprises.

     

    After that I'd just like to see Microsoft spending much more time getting the fine details right - especially on the consumer end.
    I love my Surface, and since I got it I have only turned on my iPad to test my iOS apps. I'm going to be at Best Buy first thing Saturday picking up a Surface Pro, I think they're both great devices, especially for V1, but the apps that came with it should have clean knocked the ball out of the park.

    Don't get me wrong, they're not bad, but things like the mail, music, photos apps feel rushed and not thought through properly. Photos app where you can't easily view the contents of the SD card full of photos you have just inserted - clear madness! etc. etc.
    I know the internal apps will get better as time goes on, but that's not the point - they need to come out of the door running every single time. They really do need to make it easy and obvious to integrate your desktop, tablet, x-box so it all works seamlessly and effectively. They always get SO close and screw up the last bits...

    This is typical Microsoft -they get 80% of the way there but miss the last 20%. As we say often here at my office - "The Microsoft XYZ looks awesome, I wonder how they'll screw this one up". Sad really, but I'm hopeful that we'll see more improvements with their renewed focus, especially now that the press seem a little less willing to let Apple get away with everything just because they're Apple.

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    evildictait​or

    , OrigamiCar wrote

    I'd like to see in Windows 9 MUCH better support for Windows Store style apps for business and internal use.

    Specifically:
    Keep allowing us to produce Windows Store apps like we can today, using the walled garden approach/full screen/etc.

    But also allow us in Visual Studio to mark in the manifest that the app is for internal or business use, not for distribution in the Windows Store. By checking that box, it tells Visual Studio that we have extended access to the Metro API's that are currently restricted in Windows Store apps, allows you to produce apps that can run windowed/resizable etc. Oh and make enterprise loading of 'Internal Modern Apps' as easy as it is with Winform apps , forcing enterprises to pay $30 per computer for a certificate so you can use your own developed metro apps on your own computers, inside your own enterprise is beyond ridiculous. A simple Click Once type install would be perfect.

    You might want to look at this (http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windowsintune/explore/byod.aspx)

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    itsnotabug

    i'd love to see a top-to-bottom mvvm dev stack built around webapi and javascript/typescript with a prescribed security model, databinding from client all the way to the database, maybe even html5/javascript "controls" you could drag and drop onto a design surface ala webforms.

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    Bas

    I want this:

    When this video first came out I thought they were laughably optimistic about any of this being a reality in 2019. But in the past few years, it's amazing how much closer we've come to many of the ideas in this video already.

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    fabian

    @Bas: I want that, too!

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    Blue Ink

    @Bas: in some areas, reality is already surpassing that vision: MSR recently demoed live English to Chinese translation (with voice matching, sort of), which is more advanced than what the two little girls are doing at the beginning. And the amazing sensors that are cropping up (Kinect,  Leap motion) mean remotes are on their way out, stylish or otherwise.

    Of course there's a lot of technology in there that we may never see (apparently they don't need cables or batteries, for instance, signs appear in thin air and screens are so cheap you can slap one on a coffee mug), but we are getting there.

    On a side note: there's a lot of "Metro done right" in the video, which seems to validate where Microsoft is heading. On the other hand, it proves that Metro looks just gorgeous on glass (hint hint).

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    Bas

    @Blue Ink: Agreed, there's a lot of stuff in there that's still way too far-fetched, but I can't really think of anything that's impossible. We already have wirelessly charging phones, for instance, so charging that mug via induction in a bunch of surfaces in the house is possible. Insanely expensive right now, but who knows how fast development of induction charging will go if more phones start supporting it. And god knows batteries are due for some sort of breakthrough: smartphone battery life is appalling.

    What I especially like is all the transparent touchscreens. I still find it amazing that these (with bezel, sure, but still) are available right now.

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    magicalclick

    @Bas: not in the demo, but I want those augmented reality projection, not from a projector or glass, but directly send special waves to my nerve ending and let me see images without my eyes seeing it. Sort of like those skull audio things.

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    Bass

    Open source everything. You said dream right?

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    magicalclick

    @Bass: yup, no judgment here.

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    fanbaby

    @Bass: If I was a MS developer, I'd be begging Microsoft to open source just one technology, dotnet. Actually there's no need to OS it, just a broad no-sue policy thank you.I believe that is what Miguel de Icaza is praying every night for (had he not been atheist, if not mistaken). BTW Microsoft developers, Miguel is one of your bestest friends ever.

    But OS-ing dotnet would be too much for a patent troll Wink Also Microsoft developers are so full of fud that they think it's better for them if things stay the same, that is let the master keep the leads. As an outsider it's fun to watch it wither to obsecurity because of that, and see the spring that's taking place right before our eyes elsewhere (if you don't think we live in the most exciting time technology-wise, I pity you).

    Most of the other technologies, say winserver, are meh. Who needs 'em. We don't need more APIs that do the same. So Linux does 70% of what winserver does, that's good enough. MS can keep winserver. It will never rule. Same goes for SQL SERVER. Same for VS. I want a web-based IDE. An open one.

    Now re desktop win. It's good. It's very optimized. It's debugged. I'm not kidding when I say it's the best. {Now if it only had POSIX underneath it things would be perfect Wink} I see no problem paying for it.

    EDIT: Another example IE. It's very fast now, maybe the fastest. It has some nice features, autocorrect for example, but do I want it open-sourced? Well, is it cross-platform? No? Then no thanks. MS can keep it private. We have enough open engines. Opera would be more interesting to look at then IE.

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    evildictait​or

    , fanbaby wrote

    @Bass: If I was a MS developer, I'd be begging Microsoft to open source just one technology, dotnet. Actually there's no need to OS it, just a broad no-sue policy thank you.I believe that is what Miguel de Icaza is praying every night for (had he not been atheist, if not mistaken). BTW Microsoft developers, Miguel is one of your bestest friends ever.

    But OS-ing dotnet would be too much for a patent troll Wink Also Microsoft developers are so full of fud that they think it's better for them if things stay the same, that is let the master keep the leads. As an outsider it's fun to watch it wither to obsecurity because of that, and see the spring that's taking place right before our eyes elsewhere (if you don't think we live in the most exciting time technology wise, I pity you).

    Those Microsoft developers who are full of fud and enjoy patent trolling made ASP.NET Open Source under the Microsoft Reference Source Licence in 2007. The C# language and some of the Base Libraries were also granted an indefinite right to use (i.e. Microsoft owns it, but cannot sue) as part of making C# an ECMA standard.

    That gives you the right to look at the code, or to use it for free. The only restriction is that you're not allowed to copy it and sell it as your own.

    In fact if this wasn't the case, then Microsoft would have sued Miguel de Icaza out of existence long ago for inventing Mono.

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    fanbaby

    @evildictaitor: Then it must sting you that with everything so groovy, according to you, dotnet, or mono isn't dominating the world as it should. I think you are wrong.

    Yes some things are OS, BTW you also forgot F#, but I think it's Microsoft track record as a litigious bustards, that no one wants to touch it. Except Microsoft developers (I don';t mean Microsoft employees)

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    evildictait​or

    , fanbaby wrote

    @evildictaitor: Then it must sting you that with everything so groovy, according to you, dotnet, or mono isn't dominating the world as it should. I think you are wrong.

    I didn't say it was groovy. I just showed you that it is open source. If you think open source .NET isn't groovy, that's your problem.

    I didn't say that .NET was successful, and frankly I don't really care whether it is or it isn't. It's a great tool and I like to use it myself. If other people want to use it or not, that's their problem.

    Yes some things are OS, BTW you also forgot F#, but I think it's Microsoft track record as a litigious bustards, that no one wants to touch it. Except Microsoft developers (I don';t mean Microsoft employees)

    I think the main reason F# hasn't taken off is a combination of functional programming being less popular in general, and the fact that Visual Studio doesn't come with it as an option for developers to play with.

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    thiebaude

    The one thing that I do dream of sometimes is I would like to see Bill Gates come back to Redmond and  head Microsoft. It's only a dream, but who knows.

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    fabian

    I wish that ray ozzie would come back.

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    Bass

    , fanbaby wrote

    @Bass: If I was a MS developer, I'd be begging Microsoft to open source just one technology, dotnet. Actually there's no need to OS it, just a broad no-sue policy thank you.I believe that is what Miguel de Icaza is praying every night for (had he not been atheist, if not mistaken). BTW Microsoft developers, Miguel is one of your bestest friends ever.

    Most of the other technologies, say winserver, are meh. Who needs 'em. We don't need more APIs that do the same. So Linux does 70% of what winserver does, that's good enough. MS can keep winserver. It will never rule. Same goes for SQL SERVER. Same for VS. I want a web-based IDE. An open one.

    I agree. It's too late for .NET to have a huge impact as open source. Because Mono has matured and is very good. So having .NET open source isn't going to really accomplish in advancing technology all that much except allow Miguel and friends to concentrate on other work .NET can't do yet instead of reinventing it.

    I also agree that open sourcing Windows wouldn't be so interesting, because we already have a powerful open source OS infrastructure in Linux, but there is some stuff in Windows like the kernel mode setting for graphics and sound subsystems that would be useful to port over. Also, Wine would be helped significantly if a lot of the libraries built into Windows was open source.

    The more interesting stuff though is the machine learning / vision / robots stuff that you don't hear too much about. That kind of stuff would be immediately useful to a lot of people and would advance the technology industry if it was open source. That's the main thing that interests me personally.

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