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E3 Smackdown

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  • wastingtime​withforums

    That was unexpected.

    I thought at first that Sony would have similar restrictions with the PS 4, and MS knew about it through insiders, and that's why they have put the same restrictions into Xbox One.

    Boy I was wrong. That was truly a "NuMicrosoft" moment:

    http://kotaku.com/sony-just-smacked-the-xbox-one-in-the-mouth-512492046

    The second half of Sony's conference saw them systematically taking apart Microsoft's entire platform policy with the Xbox One, presenting the PlayStation 4 as a console able to undercut almost everything Microsoft was offering. Or, in many cases, forcing consumers to endure.

    The Xbox One costs $499? Oh, OK, the PlayStation 4 costs $399. The Xbox One imposes online checks? The PS4 doesn't. The Xbox One has restrictions on the use of your disc-based games? The PS4 does no such thing.

    It's a series of calculated business decisions - and they are calculated, right down to the fact Microsoft's policies were directly referenced by Sony on-stage - that have resulted in one of the most lop-sided public reactions to an E3 press conference in recent memory. No wonder Jack Tretton spent the last 20 minutes giggling like a schoolgirl.

    Seriously, people are going crazy. Twitter and forums are overflowing with people declaring everything from "BEST E3 EVER" to "RIP XBOX ONE". I've been doing this job for a long time now, and I've never seen a reaction like it.

    By listening to how upset people had become over Microsoft's restrictions and demands, and catering their console to appeal to them, Sony has instantly won itself legions of Xbox converts and new fans.

    I can't believe Microsoft created the most obnoxious DRM that has ever graced consoles, coupled together with an Orwellian always on camera, while all other competitors won't do that.

    The buzz on all the gaming sites is 99 to 1 against the Xbox.  They have completely and utterly turned the gaming community against them. It's the biggest backlash I've ever seen. It's f*cking huge.

    One more recent Microsoft product that pissed off the established customers and created lots of unneeded controversy. In opposite to Windows and Office, no one is depended on the Xbox, and there is a viable and cheaper competitor available.

    New rant video is going viral (made before the PS4 reveal):

    Guys like these create the buzz, and the lines at video game stores at launch. Pissing them off is mighty stupid.

  • spivonious

    @wastingtimewithforums: Nintendo sold a lot more Wiis than Sony or Microsoft sold PS3s and 360s.

    Sometimes the hardcore gamer crowd just isn't that important.

    MS is betting that the average consumer will want Windows 8 on their TV and be able to play the latest games too. I think that is a very safe bet in today's market.

  • wastingtime​withforums

    , spivonious wrote

    MS is betting that the average consumer will want Windows 8 on their TV

    Oh well.

  • ScottWelker

    DRM part 2 :`(
    No thank you.

  • ScanIAm

    Somewhere in there is a joke about how often nerds complain about being unable to trade games with their imaginary friends.

     

  • DeathBy​VisualStudio

    Sounds like Microsoft is playing the same game in "listening" as they did with Windows 8 originally: write blogs and put out PR that justify their changes rather than actually make changes. Feels like Sinofsky all over again.

    Well hopefully this will lead to less kids playing games 24x7 and actually go outside. Thanks Microsoft.

    If we all believed in unicorns and fairies the world would be a better place.
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  • wastingtime​withforums

    , DeathBy​VisualStudio wrote

    Sounds like Microsoft is playing the same game in "listening" as they did with Windows 8 originally: write blogs and put out PR that justify their changes rather than actually make changes. Feels like Sinofsky all over again.

    This could be worse than Sinofsky. For many people there is no alternative to Windows or Office, they are locked due to existing software or hardware. There's also no true Windows competitor (Apple is still too pricey for many and lacks existing Windows software).

    Not so with the Xbox One. It pisses lots of people off, it's the most expensive product in the market, there are no lock-ins that bind the existing customers and there is a viable competitor.

    The gamers are annoyed like never before, yet it's too pricey and complicated for the casuals and children (and Nintendo has that market cornered).

    And I've never ever heard the cries of someone wanting Windows 8 on the TV.

  • figuerres

    One item I think needs to be added:

    and how many times was Sony's online system having security problems in the last 2 years ?

    how many for MS / XBL ?

    just an item to think about when comparing the two systems.

  • wastingtime​withforums

    , figuerres wrote

    One item I think needs to be added:

    and how many times was Sony's online system having security problems in the last 2 years ?

    how many for MS / XBL ?

    That issue is at the bottom of the list.

    2002 called, the freetards want their argument back.

    That's why I call 2010s Microsoft "NuMicrosoft". It's a blend of Apple's arrogance with the attitude of the FOSS community at their worst times.

    Nothing against you personally, but I see tons of "defense" for the newish MS products that could have been written by a Linux aficionado back in the days.

    "My 8 year old and my 118 year old grandmother have no problems using Ubuntu/W8!"

    "Windows Phone/Linux is new! Just give it time and it will stomp out all competition!"

    "You're just too stupid to learn Windows 8/GNOME!"

    "Adapt or die! Linux/Metro is da future!"

    "At least no one hacked us".

  • DeathBy​VisualStudio

    , figuerres wrote

    One item I think needs to be added:

    and how many times was Sony's online system having security problems in the last 2 years ?

    how many for MS / XBL ?

    just an item to think about when comparing the two systems.

    That's a fair point but I don't recall a mass exodus from Windows to Linux or OSX when Windows was having its security issues.

    I think it's really going to come down to what people are willing to compromise over the perceived value. For example people have migrated over from flawless sound on CDs to lossy MP3s because the benefit of being able to buy music anywhere, anytime and haul a boatload of it with you in a device the size of a matchbook outweighed the clarity of sound the CDs provided.

    Microsoft has made the same bet with W8 and had to dial it back a bit in W8.1. Is the XBONE going to be the same thing?

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  • Dr Herbie

    @wastingtimewithforums: The XBox One isn't too complicated for casuals and children -- using Kinect Voice recognition and body-tracking makes it very simple to use: kids shout "XBox, play game" and start leaping around the living room to control their game characters. 

    Setup might be a different  matter (I've never owned a games console, only used a friend's 360 with my kids), but beyond plugging cables in correctly and setting up an account, what else will there be?

    Herbie

  • wastingtime​withforums

    , Dr Herbie wrote

    @wastingtimewithforums: The XBox One isn't too complicated for casuals and children

    Try to explain to little Bobby why he can't share games with his school buddies anymore.

    If he is from a rural place with lousy internet connections, you can also teach him what "deal with it" means while you're at it.

  • cbae

    , wastingtime​withforums wrote

    *snip*

    Try to explain to little Bobby why he can't share games with his school buddies anymore.

    Hey, Little Bobby, see this thing called a EULA? Get used to it, my son.

    --Dad

  • wastingtime​withforums

    , cbae wrote

    *snip*

    Hey, Little Bobby, see this thing called a EULA? Get used to it, my son.

    --Dad

    Daddy, Johnny's dad bought him a Playstation 4, and he's able to share games with the other kids. Why have you bough me that shitty Xbox?

  • Lizard​Rumsfeld

    In gaming forums it's pretty much a slaughter, in that this was the Xbone's "Red Wedding".  The PS4 has a more powerful GPU (50% more resources), much higher bandwidth available to all the memory, $100 cheaper, no restrictions on selling/sharing, is smaller.

    The Xbone has a nice overlay system with your cable TV provider and Kinect.

    Seriously?

     

  • Dr Herbie

    , wastingtime​withforums wrote

    *snip*

    Daddy, Johnny's dad bought him a Playstation 4, and he's able to share games with the other kids. Why have you bough me that shitty Xbox?

    "Yes, Bobby, but that's illegal.  Because Daddy work in the software industry his income relies on people paying properly for the software to use, so even if you had a Playstation 4 I wouldn't let you share games out of principle."

    Yes, not having an internet connection sucks, but for so many more important reasons that playing games."

    Herbie

  • wastingtime​withforums

    , Dr Herbie wrote

    *snip*

    "Yes, Bobby, but that's illegal.  Because Daddy work in the software industry his income relies on people paying properly for the software to use, so even if you had a Playstation 4 I wouldn't let you share games."

    LOL, what? The first sale doctrine is illegal?

    Just because you wish it to be so, doesn't make it true.

    Something is seriously wrong when you're more of a corporate wh*re than an actual multi-billion dollar corporation:

  • cbae

    , wastingtime​withforums wrote

    *snip*

    Daddy, Johnny's dad bought him a Playstation 4, and he's able to share games with the other kids. Why have you bough me that shitty Xbox?

    Not only do you want to play the games I bought you, you want to play your friend's games too? Go do your homework, you little sh1t, before I smack you upside the head.

    --Sgt. Dad

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