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E3 Smackdown

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    Dr Herbie

    , wastingtime​withforums wrote

    *snip*

    LOL, what? The first sale doctrine is illegal?

    Just because you wish it to be so, doesn't make it true.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/apr/05/digital-media-licensed-not-owned

     

    Herbie

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    Lizard​Rumsfeld

    Sony continues the smackdown:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWSIFh8ICaA

    And holy lol, someone actually made the argument that reselling software is illegal, and this is how you would shame a child into not being able to share the games with his friends. Unbelievable.

     

     

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    wastingtime​withforums

    Not the same as trading physical media. And as I said:

    Something is seriously wrong when you're more of a corporate wh*re than an actual multi-billion dollar corporation:

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    wastingtime​withforums

    , cbae wrote

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    Not only do you want to play the games I bought you, you want to play your friend's games too? Go do your homework, you little sh1t, before I smack you upside the head.

    --Sgt. Dad

    Kick-* comments, guys.

    NuMicrosoft delivered once again a huge whooping (maybe their biggest yet), and this sorry comments by the Defenders of the Redmond prove it even more.

    Someone should link to this thread in a gaming forum.

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    chb

    I don't want to get into which console is "better" since i think there's no way of objectivly determine that, however the negative buzz is really huge and Microsoft has a problem if they haven't anticipated this reaction. I might be that this negativity may even influence non-core gamers which would be even worse.

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    Sven Groot

    Well, I already know which console I'm going to buy: none of them. Doesn't matter what restrictions it does or does not have, all consoles suck. Wink

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    kettch

    @Sven Groot: Indeed.

    This pissing match will soon settle down and each console will sell millions of units, and their respective manufacturers will salute each other from atop their mounds of cash while the great unwashed masses squabble over bullet points on datasheets far, far, far below.

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    evildictait​or

    Maybe I'm crazy, but I'm going to wait and see what games are on the consoles before deciding which console to get.

    I don't want a PS4 if the games suck, no matter how much I can share them.

    And I don't want an XBox One so I can watch TV. I already have a TV that lets me watch TV.

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    cbae

    , wastingtime​withforums wrote

    *snip*

    Kick-* comments, guys.

    NuMicrosoft delivered once again a huge whooping (maybe their biggest yet), and this sorry comments by the Defenders of the Redmond prove it even more.

    Someone should link to this thread in a gaming forum.

    The point is that I personally don't give a flying * about restrictions on "borrowing" games, and if my kids complained about a purchase decision that I already made on behalf of the entire family, based solely on the ability to borrow games, I really would tell them to go do their homework and consider themselves lucky they get to play video games at all.

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    wastingtime​withforums

    , NitzWalsh wrote

    And holy lol, someone actually made the argument that reselling software is illegal, and this is how you would shame a child into not being able to share the games with his friends. Unbelievable.

    Make no mistake: If the roles would be reversed, and Sony would be the one with the ridiculous DRM scheme, they wouldn't even dream making these comments.

     

    , chb wrote

    I don't want to get into which console is "better" since i think there's no way of objectivly determine that, however the negative buzz is really huge and Microsoft has a problem if they haven't anticipated this reaction.

    ALL their recent products (apart from WP) create huge negative buzz, even though it could have been entirely avoided if the arrogance would be toned down and options would be offered again.

    It's like an internal competition they have - which division is able to piss more people off. Looks like Xbox is winning.

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    Sven Groot

    , evildictait​or wrote

    Maybe I'm crazy, but I'm going to wait and see what games are on the consoles before deciding which console to get.

    I'm no expert in this area, but it seems to me that all the DRM stuff is things MS is doing because the games' publishers want them. If that is the case, it could end up that more publishers prefer the XBO which means MS might end up with more exclusive games.

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    cbae

    , Sven Groot wrote

    *snip*

    I'm no expert in this area, but it seems to me that all the DRM stuff is things MS is doing because the games' publishers want them. If that is the case, it could end up that more publishers prefer the XBO which means MS might end up with more exclusive games.

    Yes, I was going to mention something similar. I read that the publishers can decide if specific titles can be "borrowed" or can be played from "used" discs. So, just because the console CAN restrict play, it doesn't mean that it will be the case with all titles.

    Publishers could also lower prices of titles on Xbox compared to those on PS since they'd presumably not lose revenue due to game sharing.

    That's the selling point the publisher's need to make since they're the ones that wanted these restrictions.

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    chb

    @wastingtimewithforums:

    I agree insofar as they seem to have serious management or marketing problem. No offense to anyone [...]

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    wastingtime​withforums

    , Sven Groot wrote

    *snip*

    I'm no expert in this area, but it seems to me that all the DRM stuff is things MS is doing because the games' publishers want them.

    Yet Sony [!] was able to resist them.

    Speaks volumes.

    Interesting comment from Arstechnica:

    http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/06/analysis-the-one-two-combo-sony-used-to-knock-microsoft-out-of-e3-2013/?comments=1&post=24674935#comment-24674935

    There's been speculation and leaks from fairly reliable insiders / informants that Microsoft was really the initiator of the DRM scheme even if many publishers did support it.  My personal guess is that they really wanted to push their "You don't need a disc" features, as well as to increase their licensing fees since those are often paid per copy of a game, but presumably used game sales eat into this.

    Now of course that's a rumor. But fact is, Nintendo and Sony somehow were able to dodge the bullet.

    It also just fits all to well into NuMicrosoft's Trifecta of Disgruntle that consists of bulldozering their existing customers into cloud schemes, annoy them unprecedentedly with lame changes that the existing customer bases oppose vehemently and the Sinofskytastic PR games.

    Publishers have their share in this, but Microsoft isn't innocent. Especially if you take into account their run of the last 24 months.

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    cbae

    , chb wrote

    @wastingtimewithforums:

    I agree insofar as they seem to have serious management or marketing problem. No offense to anyone but the conference yesterday seemed strange like they weren't talking to the audience but to a fictional target-demograhpy that dosen't exist. Sony on the other hand talked to the audience which turned out to be a big plus.

    Also come to think, If Microsoft has to put DRM mechanism into the xbox one I guess that publishers asked fot it, but then why wasen't sony forced to do the same Thing? It's just odd.

    The publishers ask for features to be added to a platform. They can't force it. Microsoft listened. Sony didn't. It's up to the publishers to decide what title goes on what platform and when. Who knows? As Sven mentioned, maybe publishers will start producing more Xbox exclusives. Maybe they'll lower prices of titles on Xbox. As I said, it's up to the publishers.

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    cbae

    , wastingtime​withforums wrote

    *snip*

    Publishers have their share in this, but Microsoft isn't innocent. Especially if you take into account their run of the last 24 months.

    I'm not sure what you mean here. What "run of the past 24 months"?

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