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    wastingtime​withforums

    , cbae wrote

    *snip*

    The publishers ask for features to be added to a platform. They can't force it. Microsoft listened. Sony didn't.

    Nice spin. In other words:

    Multi-billion conglomerate 1 (Sony) stood up for the consumers, multi-billon conglomerate 2 (MS) didn't.

    Microsoft makes Sony looks good. I wonder whether there is a Xbox achievement for that?

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    wastingtime​withforums

    , cbae wrote

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    I'm not sure what you mean here. What "run of the past 24 months"?

    Are you serious?!

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    wastingtime​withforums

    , chb wrote

    @wastingtimewithforums:

    No offense to anyone but the conference yesterday seemed strange like they weren't talking to the audience but to a fictional target-demograhpy that dosen't exist.

    Well, just like every session MS held about Windows 8's design decisions.

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    cbae

    , wastingtime​withforums wrote

    *snip*

    Multi-billion conglomerate 1 (Sony) stood up for the consumers...

    Spin, spin, spin. Do you think Sony really gives a * about you, the consumer?

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    wastingtime​withforums

    , cbae wrote

    *snip*

    Spin, spin, spin. Do you think Sony really gives a * about you, the consumer?

    Of course not, but Microsoft is hard at work to make it appear so.

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    cbae

    , wastingtime​withforums wrote

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    Of course not, but Microsoft is hard at work to make it appear so.

    You know Microsoft doesn't give a * about you, and you're wise enough to know that neither does Sony. Then why are you making such a big stink about it? Are complaining that Microsoft is being too honest about not giving a * about you and hope that they'd be more subversive about it like Sony is?

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    Ian2

    MS is great as an underdog but crap as a leader?

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    Dr Herbie

    , wastingtime​withforums wrote

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    Not the same as trading physical media. And as I said:

    Something is seriously wrong when you're more of a corporate wh*re than an actual multi-billion dollar corporation:

     

    You're right and I retract my 'illegal' and replace with 'unfair on the people whose job it is to write the software'.

    I can only assume that you're not a professional programmer who writes commercial software, because otherwise I don't see how you would support something that could affect your income (or potentially even your job) unless you earn such an incredibly high wage that a reduction wouldn't really affect you, or unless you're a hypocrite and wouldn't want people sharing the software you are paid to write but don't mind sharing other's products.

    I can happily say that I've never shared a game or even bough or sold one second-hand. When I was a kid, if we wanted to play a friend's game, we would simply go to their house and play it on their computer. You know, actually leaving our bedrooms, walking in sunlight, socialising, that sort of thing. Tongue Out

    As cbae pointed out there may also be issues with the EULA; if it contains a clause about not sharing, then that may complicate the legal position (even if it's just having to rebuff lawyers letters).

    I suspect Sony made a calculation as to how much they're likely to loose through sharing and decided it was worth it as a loss leader (especially as people are already starting to move to on-line downloads anyway, despite DRM).

    Herbie

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    wastingtime​withforums

    , cbae wrote

    *snip*

    You know Microsoft doesn't give a * about you, and you're wise enough to know that neither does Sony. Then why are you making such a big stink about it?

    If you think that's a big stink, you should read a bit outside Channel9. There is a huge storm.

    , cbae wrote

    Are complaining that Microsoft is being too honest about not giving a * about you and hope that they'd be more subversive about it like Sony is?

    It's about who is the lesser evil, and Sony is the lesser evil. Currently. That can change of course.

    The Xbox One is a symptom of a far wider problem at MS. All their recent products annoy and piss off a large segment of their respective user bases for no good reason. Most of the problems could have been avoided if MS would tone down their arrogance.

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    wastingtime​withforums

    , Dr Herbie wrote

    *snip*

    You're right and I retract my 'illegal' and replace with 'unfair on the people whose job it is to write the software'.

    I can only assume that you're not a professional programmer who writes commercial software, because otherwise I don't see how you would support something that could affect your income (or potentially even your job) unless you earn such an incredibly high wage that a reduction wouldn't really affect you, or unless you're a hypocrite and wouldn't want people sharing the software you are paid to write but don't mind sharing other's products.

    That issue never crossed my mind. I am against software piracy, but no way I will view re-selling games, which I bought, or trading games as unfair. No way.

    I view sharing game discs in the same vein that I view lending books or DVDs to a friend or selling them through eBay. It has never even crossed my mind to view this act as wrong. Copying them is of course a completely other thing.

    If you think "all software developers" have the same skewed worldview like you, you're sadly mistaken.

    , Dr Herbie wrote

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    I can happily say that I've never shared a game or even bough or sold one second-hand.

    Then you're in the vast, VAST minority. I know no one who ever felt bad about buying a game second-hand, something that is a no-brainer since the inception of the industry. Come on now! Until Microsoft came up with the Xbox One, that topic wasn't even on the radar for most people.

    You sound like a freak here. I guess next time you will tell me you throw old eggs at video game stores that offer second-hand games.

    , Dr Herbie wrote

    When I was a kid, if we wanted to play a friend's game, we would simply go to their house and play it on their computer. You know, actually leaving our bedrooms, walking in sunlight, socialising, that sort of thing. Tongue Out

    I guess you held a speech every time your classmates shared their Nintendo games. Have you called the police, too?

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    figuerres

    , wastingtime​withforums wrote

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    That issue is at the bottom of the list.

    2002 called, the freetards want their argument back.

    That's why I call 2010s Microsoft "NuMicrosoft". It's a blend of Apple's arrogance with the attitude of the FOSS community at their worst times.

    Nothing against you personally, but I see tons of "defense" for the newish MS products that could have been written by a Linux aficionado back in the days.

    "My 8 year old and my 118 year old grandmother have no problems using Ubuntu/W8!"

    "Windows Phone/Linux is new! Just give it time and it will stomp out all competition!"

    "You're just too stupid to learn Windows 8/GNOME!"

    "Adapt or die! Linux/Metro is da future!"

    "At least no one hacked us".

    wow ... you and Mr. Death are really to much...  I was not saying who is better or anything about what I think , just a point that is valid ....  

    so you read something into my post that was not there and totally fail.

    the worst security problem I know of was on the sony network  in 2011 if you need a hint....

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    cbae

    , jinx101 wrote

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    His point is that Sony is doing what customers are asking for (whether for selfish reasons or not) and Microsoft is falling into it's now famous pattern of alienating most of it's loyal customers. 

    The console games industry is currently in tatters right now, largely because of the advent of mobile games, which typically run on platforms that have built-in DRM that NOBODY complains about.

    At this point, alienating customers due to DRM should be the least of these companies' concerns. At the rate things are going, there will be no games to sell to whatever customers are left because all of the game studios' going BK.

    Console games need to come down in price to compete with casual game, but the worst case scenario would be to come down on price AND still have all of the problems they currently face: piracy, game-sharing, and used game purchases.

    The publishers could come down on price if they could reduce/prevent/discourage all of those things that hurt revenue. I'm not going to say that it will happen, but it's a possibility.

    It's going to be tough for some publishers to stick to their guns. If the PS4 is a success out of the gate, then some publishers will flock to the platform to reach a larger target market, despite it possibly hurting themselves in the long run.

    It's too difficult to say what's going to happen, but the one thing that goes without saying is that the status quo wasn't going to last much longer anyway. There needed to be a shake-up, and if the Xbox One becomes such a utter failure that it forces Microsoft out of the console business altogether, that in itself might have been something this industry needed.

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    MasterPi

    @figuerres: Forget security..they weren't even good at hosting a live stream. Couldn't make out the graphics quality for a lot of those games because it kept moving between pixellated and low-hi fidelity.

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    Dr Herbie

    @wastingtimewithforums: That's right, you go right ahead and take my word 'unfair' and replace it with 'evil' and then argue against it.  Strawman?

    Herbie

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    wastingtime​withforums

    , Dr Herbie wrote

    @wastingtimewithforums: That's right, you go right ahead and take my word 'unfair' and replace it with 'evil' and then argue against it.

    Fixed.

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    cbae

    Your post or his post (by removing "strawman")?

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