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EU opportunity for good jobs < nepotism; albeit DE

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    JohnAskew

    @blowdart:

    Any political system where politicians band together to leverage power as a group will have cronyism. Yes.

    Really? You think the UK economy is healthy? Oh dear me. No. It's mostly accounting tricks around PPE which keeps the debt off the books. Bill Clinton balanced the US budget too... yeah...

    The fact that UK and DE are not suffering EU membership micromanagement is proof that their economy is, relatively, healthy. Healthy like the US economy today. -- Not so healthy.

    Riots in London today? None in New York city either. Greece? Spain? Italy? I know Greeks are throwing rocks and launching tear gas today... They are not relatively healthy, now, are they.

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    blowdart

    , JohnAskew wrote

    Riots in London today? None in New York city either. Greece? Spain? Italy? I know Greeks are throwing rocks and launching tear gas today... They are not relatively healthy, now, are they.

    You missed last year's London riots then? (Boy I hate US news coverage. Outside the borders don't matter)

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    blowdart

    , JohnAskew wrote

    Collins English Dictionary - Complete & Unabridged 10th Edition 2009 © William Collins Sons & Co. Ltd. 1979, 1986 © HarperCollins Publishers 1998, 2000, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2009 Cite This Source

    Oh dear, if you'll use the cheap dictionaries, well, you get what you deserve.

     

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    JohnAskew

    @blowdart: I'm an American! My English-Scotish heredity only takes me so far... Big Smile

    Oh, and I speak American, not English. heheh. I do generalize nepotism to include friends, somehow.

    No, I had no idea there were riots in London last year! Why? Certainly not EU micromanagement of Austerity upon the UK?

    EDIT: to be honest me & mine tend to envision Britan as the promised land... weird, I know, but real.

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    Sven Groot

    , JohnAskew wrote

    No, I had no idea there were riots in London last year! Why? Certainly not EU micromanagement of Austerity upon the UK?

    How the hell did you miss that? There were major riots not just in London but several large UK cities.

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    JohnAskew

    @Sven Groot: I must have had my head in the sand. I don't know!

    I'll go catch up. Thanks. Sad

    EDIT: This isn't austerity rioting:

    The first night of rioting took place on 7 August 2011 after a protest in Tottenham, following the death of Mark Duggan, a local man from the area, who was shot dead by police on 4 August 2011.

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    blowdart

    , Sven Groot wrote

    *snip*

    How the hell did you miss that? There were major riots not just in London but several large UK cities.

    You've never watched US news have you? Unless it's going to affect oil prices, or is about celebs it won't be reported if it's outside the borders.

    Although Colbert and Jon Stewart did report it. As did NPR.

     

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    blowdart

    , JohnAskew wrote

    EDIT: to be honest me & mine tend to envision Britan as the promised land... weird, I know, but real.

    You've never been have you? *grin* I left because finding work was becoming harder and harder. In the year before I had maybe 6 months of billable work.

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    Dr Herbie

    @JohnAskew: The trigger was the shooting of a young man in London by the police (who suspected him of buying a hand-gun).  However, the real causes of the rioting were general cultural issues such as poverty in the young population,  the wage gap, poor relations with the police, gang culture, etc.

    Riots are now pretty much part-and-parcel of a Conservative government in power.

     

    Herbie

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    blowdart

    , Dr Herbie wrote

    Riots are now pretty much part-and-parcel of a Conservative government in power.

    Did you forget about the Oldham and Birmingham race riots under the previous Government? Tongue Out

     

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    JohnAskew

    , blowdart wrote

    *snip*

    You've never been have you? *grin* I left because finding work was becoming harder and harder. In the year before I had maybe 6 months of billable work.

    No, I haven't visited. Let me live in my happy delusion, please. Wink

    Jobs are easy to find here for your skill set. This isn't true in the UK? More culture shock... why? Kings & Queens? Nepotism? Banking corruption? Very easy to find work here as you know. Hmm.

    The UK August 2011 riots were not international in nature whatsoever, unlike the riots in Greece today.

    Local EU problems may not get such high profile coverage here. I can't say why I missed it.

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    Dr Herbie

    @blowdart: No i didn't, but they were a different, focused cause than general dissatisfaction in the poorer classes (last year's riots didn't really have any focus).  

    When the Torys won the election, I predicted there would be riots before their term was over, but I wasn't expecting it so quickly:

    Herbie

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    JohnAskew

    , Dr Herbie wrote

    @JohnAskew: The trigger was the shooting of a young man in London by the police (who suspected him of buying a hand-gun).  However, the real causes of the rioting were general cultural issues such as poverty in the young population,  the wage gap, poor relations with the police, gang culture, etc.

    Riots are now pretty much part-and-parcel of a Conservative government in power.

    Herbie

    Wow. We just sleep in parking lots in tents and move when they tell us to move. Weak. But nice not to have wanton destruction, that's pitiful. Yuck, what a nightmare. I'm going to go cry about my paradise lost. No, I'm not being sarcastic. Silly, perhaps.

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    blowdart

    , JohnAskew wrote

    Jobs are easy to find here for your skill set. This isn't true in the UK? More culture shock... why?Kings & Queens? Nepotism? Banking corruption? Very easy to find work here as you know. Hmm.

    You really need to stop getting hung up on the idea of Neoptism being a purely European disease. As for banking corruption, come on, are you kidding me? It was pretty much US lending and securitization that brought the world wide banking system down. As for easy to find work, I think you'll find 10%-15% of the US population have a different view.

    The UK August 2011 riots were not international in nature whatsoever, unlike the riots in Greece today.

    Umm that seriously makes no sense Tongue Out

     

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    blowdart

    , JohnAskew wrote

    Wow. We just sleep in parking lots in tents and move when they tell us to move. Weak. But nice not to have wanton destruction, that's pitiful.

    Hah WTO protesters would disagree. However it's probably more to do with a balance of arms between police and protesters in the US.

     

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    Dr Herbie

    @blowdart: I would also suggest that the Occupy protesters are generally middle-class (or equivalent in the US) while the UK rioters were largely working class. I think middle-class protests are less prone to violence (for whatever reasons).

    Herbie

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    JohnAskew

    , blowdart wrote

    *snip*

    You really need to stop getting hung up on the idea of Neoptism being a purely European disease. As for banking corruption, come on, are you kidding me? It was pretty much US lending and securitization that brought the world wide banking system down. As for easy to find work, I think you'll find 10%-15% of the US population have a different view.

    *snip*

    Umm that seriously makes no sense Tongue Out

    Yes it does make sense. Greeks are livid about EU micromanagement forcing Austerity against EU membership. That means it is international in nature. Greeks see other nations meddling with their business, plus, and more the case I can imagine, is disgust with their own corrupt leadership.

    The article I read distinguished southern EU countries as badly nepotistic. I read it, I didn't write it.

    Hung up? Just asking for the big picture. I've only been around the world once, and I missed all the nice places.

    .NET programmers can find work under rocks here. That 10-15% do not write .NET code. We do.

    Regarding Wall Street polluting the world's economy, I agree. What to do?

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    ScanIAm

    , Maddus Mattus wrote

    The major difference between the US and the EU is the mentality of the people.

    If you can't get a job here in the EU, you blame not yourself, not the stupid rules that create a stalemate, but you blame the people that are successful. You call those perceived problems fancy names like nepotism,. So you yourself are obviously not responsible and call for government intervention to help you out at the expense of the successful. And all that that does is create what it set out to destroy.

    In the USA the mentality is still that you are the master of your own success. But socialists like Obama are rapidly creating an society where being successful is a bad thing, because you know; "You didn't build that, somebody else made that happen." and it's time you pay those other people their due diligence.

    If you continue down that road, you will wind up exactly like the EU. Blaming everybody else but yourself for your own failures and where success depends highly on government protection (nepotism).

    Oh, shut the f*ck up.

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