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Expression is Dead

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  • DCMonkey

    Expression Blend will be rolled into Visual Studio 2012 Update 2. Expression Web and Design are no longer for sale (and a free download).

    http://expression.microsoft.com/en-US/

    Re Blend: It's about time. Re the rest: Meh.

     

  • JoshRoss

    Is it swiss design if it is done in notepad?

    -Josh

  • gcorcoran

    With that title I was expecting some pseudo intellectual manifesto or something.

  • magicalclick

    I can now use the vector graphics designer for free?

    Leaving WM on 5/2018 if no apps, no dedicated billboards where I drive, no Store name.
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  • kettch

    The only one I'll really miss is Encoder. IMHO it's the best encoder I've ever used.

  • fanbaby

    1. I got lost in the roadmap of developer/designer tools from Microsoft, anyone care to point me to a simple diagram of the offerings?
    2. http://designisphilosophy.com/microsoft-expression-web/microsoft-abandons-expression-web-and-front-end-web-development/ after betting the farm of these tools, this guy is perty pissed. His take is that Microsoft is risking irrelevancy.

  • Ian2

    I like the Expression tools, but I am a developer and they were really aimed at Designers who were/are just ensconced in their use of Photoshop.

  • wastingtime​withforums

    Expression Web is now available as a free download from the Microsoft Download Center, and no new versions will be developed.

    Well, at least some things have ended on this date.

  • ZippyV

    , kettch wrote

    The only one I'll really miss is Encoder. IMHO it's the best encoder I've ever used.

    Yeah, I hope they will have a replacement in the future.

  • ZippyV

    , fanbaby wrote

    1. ...
    2. http://designisphilosophy.com/microsoft-expression-web/microsoft-abandons-expression-web-and-front-end-web-development/ after betting the farm of these tools, this guy is perty pissed. His take is that Microsoft is risking irrelevancy.

    Microsoft has 3 applications for front-end website development:

    • Expression Web
    • Web Matrix
    • Visual Studio

    They had to kill one of them.

  • figuerres

    Well I am not happy with some of the things they are saying, some I have been expecting but here are my issues:

    1) Expression Design:  a great tool for talking a Photoshop file and pulling out some of the layers to create xaml to use in VS and Blend, if they are not creating any new updates then as Photoshop file format changes what tool will replace that function ?

    2) Expression Web Super Preview :  great tool for side by side checking of html / web site rendering

    will we still have that in some form or is that just dead now ?

    3) Expression Web:   sometimes I preferred to tinker with CSS in this tool as it's UI and way of working were a bit different than VS and was useful for that.

    I hope that the merge of tools manages to keep the advanced bits of blend working in VS or I will have to keep using the old blend until xaml is really gone...

     

  • Jim Young

    Not a biggy for me. I use Blend for XAML design. I think this is a good thing and that rolling Blend's features into VS makes sense. I tired of having to move between Blend and VS during development.  

  • wkempf

    , Jim Young wrote

    Not a biggy for me. I use Blend for XAML design. I think this is a good thing and that rolling Blend's features into VS makes sense. I tired of having to move between Blend and VS during development.  

    At least for now (and AFAIK there are no plans to change that) you'll have to continue switching. When they say "integrate with Visual Studio" they mean with the package, not with the IDE. It's still a separate program/tool.

  • Harlequin

    I don't see how rolling Blend into VS is anything but horrible. Is everything going to go in? The VisualState toolbox? The storyboard? There's way too many things in Blend to shove into the already massive VS2012.

  • Jim Young

    , wkempf wrote

    When they say "integrate with Visual Studio" they mean with the package, not with the IDE. It's still a separate program/tool.

    Are you sure about that? That's not how I would interpret it. Also, I not worried about rolling too many features into VS. The Blend bits would just become enhancements to the XAML designer.

  • wkempf

    @Jim Young: Yes, I'm sure about that. You can mostly prove it to yourself by downloading the mentioned Blend preview. It's a separate application. If that's not enough for you:

    https://twitter.com/saxenanavit/status/282074134530359296

  • wkempf

    @Harlequin: Like I've said, Blend isn't "rolling into VS", but instead is just being packaged with VS. What's changing is developers get Blend "for free", and designers get it by purchasing VS, basically. From a Blend point of view, I see the announcement as mostly good news. I don't think there's a problem with Expression Web ending, either, as we have WebMatrix, an arguably better tool. Expression Encoder I can understand, but it does stink. The really bad news here, I think, is Expression Design. Microsoft has tried so many times to get into this space, and always gives up. It's frustrating. In this case, it's really bad news, as it's the only tool that really works with XAML.

  • Jim Young

    , wkempf wrote

    @Jim Young: Yes, I'm sure about that. You can mostly prove it to yourself by downloading the mentioned Blend preview. It's a separate application. If that's not enough for you:

    https://twitter.com/saxenanavit/status/282074134530359296

    Ok, thanks for the info. So basically if you have an MSDN or MAPS subscription, nothing has changed as far as Blend goes.

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