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    cbae

    , DCMonkey wrote

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    Well, it has two now, depending on whether you're in Metro or on the desktop. And so now I'm wondering, was this right click in Windows Explorer or in one of those Metro File dialog/screen/pane/whatevers?

    Windows 8: Designed For Idiots. Wink

    We're talking about a folder in Explorer, aren't we? Is there a Metro version of Explorer? Show me how I can get the right-click to do something else while in Explorer.

    Besides, even in the Metro Start Menu, right-click still brings up context menu. Where it shows up is the only difference. I actually like "additive" nature of right-clicking on tiles. It allows you to change the "context" dynamically and have the menu options change accordingly.

    From the desktop side, you have to decide beforehand what you want the context menu options to pertain to as well as decide whether or not you want to right-click or SHIFT+right-click to bring up different sets of menu options. It's too bad Microsoft didn't incorporate the Metro-style context menus to the desktop side too.

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    cbae

    , DeathByVisualStudio wrote

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    And I can see the start screen becoming one hot mess of tiles upon tiles upon tiles.

    My desktop is already a hot mess, and the size is fixed. The Start Menu can expand and scroll.

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    cbae

    , DeathByVisualStudio wrote

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    You're right. Thanks for showing that this is true. Smiley

    You're welcome, but I already knew that I was right.

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    cbae

    , DeathByVisualStudio wrote

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    Fixed that for ya.

    You're fixing it wrong. It's a user feature that's unintuitive, ambiguous, and probably used by 1% of the user base.

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    , cbae wrote

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    My desktop is already a hot mess, and the size is fixed. The Start Menu can expand and scroll.

    But my start menu is nice and organized. It's funny how programs when installed actually group their icons in nice organized folders.

    , cbae wrote

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    You're welcome, but I already knew that I was right.

    Oh Forrest you amaze me with your confidence.

    , cbae wrote

    *snip*

    You're fixing it wrong. It's a user feature that's unintuitive, ambiguous, and probably used by 1% of the user base.

    Thanks for confirming that it is a user feature.

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    cbae

    , DeathByVisualStudio wrote

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    But my start menu is nice and organized. It's funny how programs when installed actually group their icons in nice organized folders.

    Those folders are program groups. They're not in the start menu. You have to click the "All Programs" menu option to see them.

    *snip*

    Oh Forrest you amaze me with your confidence.

    Stupid is as stupid whines.

    *snip*

    Thanks for confirming that it is a user feature.

    No problem. Still doesn't keep it from being a loser feature. Clippy was user feature too.

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    DCMonkey

    , cbae wrote

    *snip*

    We're talking about a folder in Explorer, aren't we? Is there a Metro version of Explorer? Show me how I can get the right-click to do something else while in Explorer.

    Besides, even in the Metro Start Menu, right-click still brings up context menu. Where it shows up is the only difference. I actually like "additive" nature of right-clicking on tiles. It allows you to change the "context" dynamically and have the menu options change accordingly.

    From the desktop side, you have to decide beforehand what you want the context menu options to pertain to as well as decide whether or not you want to right-click or SHIFT+right-click to bring up different sets of menu options. It's too bad Microsoft didn't incorporate the Metro-style context menus to the desktop side too.

    Well, I thought we were talking about folders in Windows 8. Can one even do anything with them in Metro besides drill down into one in a File screen?

    And I thought right click in Metro brought up a app global toolbar at the bottom of the screen. Are you saying it also can bring up a menu at the mouse position? Or does it add context sensitive items to the global app toolbar? So confusing.

    And getting a menu of items that directly pertain to the object you just clicked on is part of the power of context menus. The only context you get in a metro app that I'm aware of is that of the app itself.

     

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    PaoloM

    You know, installing into a VHD and actually trying it, insted of blindly assuming stuff is not that difficult.

    Or maybe it is. You never know with this audience.

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    cbae

    , DCMonkey wrote

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    Well, I thought we were talking about folders in Windows 8. Can one even do anything with them in Metro besides drill down into one in a File screen?

    And I thought right click in Metro brought up a app global toolbar at the bottom of the screen. Are you saying it also can bring up a menu at the mouse position? Or does it add context sensitive items to the global app toolbar? So confusing.

    Let's rehash. Somebody started whining about losing the Explorer tile. Somebody else mentioned that you can right-click | Pin to start menu to not only get the tile back, but you can do it with any folder in Explorer and do so with as many folders as you want. Hence, losing the default Explorer tile is silly to be whining about since you can create as many Explorer tiles as you want.

    I was making a point that the "Pin to start menu" option invoked from the context menu in Windows 8 Explorer is something that doesn't exist in Windows 7. I said that the only similar context menu option in Windows 7 is "Create shortcut" which places the shortcut on the desktop, leaving you to figure out how to get it into the Windows 7 start menu. You came in and said that you can do it indirectly by doing some ridiculous, unintuitive mouse gymnastics rather than using an explicit context menu option, which Windows 7 doesn't provide.

    Are you still with me? Up to this point, we have not left the confines of the Windows desktop in this discussion.

    Instead of agreeing that "Pin to start menu" is a useful feature that is not found in Windows 7, you tried to make the ridiculous claim that context menus, in general, are unintuitive. Never mind that Windows 7 would be almost unusable without it. To a Windows user, right-click is intuitive, and I said that when you right-click, you can expect a context menu to show up.

    That's when you started digging yourself into a strawman hole. You claimed that right-clicking in Metro does different things. And I'm saying that it doesn't matter. You're still getting a context menu. Context menus don't have to appear right next to where your mouse is. What difference does it really make if the context menu appears right next to the thing that you clicked on or on the bottom of the screen? And since some right-click actions are additive, making the context menu appear right next your mouse cursor would block the very things that you'd want to "add to the context".

    Instead of thinking about how useful the concept of "additive context" is, you want to play retard and feign confusion about where the menu options appear.

    And getting a menu of items that directly pertain to the object you just clicked on is part of the power of context menus. The only context you get in a metro app that I'm aware of is that of the app itself.

    Another straw man. We're not talking about context menus within a Metro app. When did we start talking about applications rather than the OS itself?  There are plenty of Windows desktop applications that don't provide context menus either.

    And why would you even use a Metro app. You're trying to make the case that Metro sucks. I'm making the case that in Windows 8, there are plenty of improvements for those that want to use only desktop applications. "Pin to start menu" is one of them.

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    Charles

    Windows Explorer is a Desktop application... You're complaining that there is no default pinned Metro tile for it after you install Win8 RP? OK. Seems you're grasping for things to complain about. That's fair. Change is hard to take.

    That said, as Sven already mentioned very early on -> you can just start typing for what you're looking for while in Metro and a list of related apps/programs will appear....

    Notice the word Start in the Metro shell. You don't need to run the desktop app and press a start button, then type in some text to start searching the system for files/folders/apps you're spelling... You're already in the Start environment...

    Please don't turn this into another ever-spinning gripe thread. Download the RP and spend some time learning how to use it. Then, provide feedback, ask questions, engage in useful conversation with your peers.

    C


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    wastingtime​withforums

    , Charles wrote

    Windows Explorer is a Desktop application... You're complaining that there is no default pinned Metro tile for it after you install Win8 RP? OK. Seems you're grasping for things to complain about. That's fair. Change is hard to take.

    As you may have noticed, there is no Metro version of Explorer. Yea, I know, files are so yesterday, and everyone should abandon everything else and facebooking on a touch device the whole day until you drop dead with a smile on your face and foam around the mouth. Unfortunately, we aren't living in such a perfect world.

    , Charles wrote

    That said, as Sven already mentioned very early on -> you can just start typing for what you're looking for while in Metro and a list of related apps/programs will appear....

    As I said, surely beats just cliking on something..

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    wastingtime​withforums

    , cbae wrote

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    Let's rehash. Somebody started whining about losing the Explorer tile. Somebody else mentioned that you can right-click | Pin to start menu to not only get the tile back, but you can do it with any folder in Explorer and do so with as many folders as you want. Hence, losing the default Explorer tile is silly to be whining about since you can create as many Explorer tiles as you want.

    I fully agree. It would be silly if this would the only issue. Problem is, it's just the tip of the ever growing iceberg.

    One more silly thing to tweak to make this thing work on something other than a smudgeblet.

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    contextfree`

    Uh, isn't Explorer still pinned to the taskbar by default? So you can still get to it directly when you're on the desktop, which for folks like mr. wastingtime and Mr. Death is probably most of the time. And if you want to pin it to Start as well that's easy to do. Or you can use Win-E, Win-1 (if it's at its default place on the taskbar), or it's also in the Quick Access Menu (right-click in lower-left corner) or you can pin individual folders (from their context menus as cbae pointed out) to Start, or use desktop shortcuts, or probably a bunch of other ways I've forgotten. So this is a silly thing to complain about.

    Here's an actual legitimate complaint: why is there STILL no "open file location" appbar command (or any appbar commands for that matter) in the Files search result page on the Start screen? And STILL no multiselect on the Apps screen to pin multiple apps at once ... grrrrrrrr. I wish there were a way to move multiple tiles at once on the Start screen tile view itself (e.g. with rectangle select) as well.

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    cbae

    , wastingtimewithforums wrote

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    I fully agree. It would be silly if this would the only issue. Problem is, it's just the tip of the ever growing iceberg.

    One more silly thing to tweak to make this thing work on something other than a smudgeblet.

    It's not an issue. It's a non-issue. You're going to be spending all your time in the desktop anyway. Just click the Explorer icon in the taskbar and done with it. The Explorer tile defaulting to the "Libraries" folder is useless to me. I wholeheartedly agree with this decision by Microsoft. It saves me the trouble of having to unpin it after pinning the folders that I REALLY want in the Start Menu.

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    contextfree`

    @DCMonkey: The commands shown on the appbar (the "global toolbar" at the bottom of the screen) at a given time depend on the current selection, so yes they are "contextual". For example, the main Start screen tilebar has one set of commands if nothing is selected, another if a Metro style app tile is selected, another if a desktop app tile is selected, and another if multiple tiles are selected.

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    cbae

    , contextfree` wrote

    Uh, isn't Explorer still pinned to the taskbar by default? So you can still get to it directly when you're on the desktop, which for folks like mr. wastingtime and Mr. Death is probably most of the time.

    +11111!

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    , contextfree` wrote

    Mr. Death

    I take great offence to that. How do you know I'm not Ms. Death? I tell ya all of these sexist comments around here make me want to scream.

    If we all believed in unicorns and fairies the world would be a better place.
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    cbae

    One complaint that I do have about the Start Menu is that there's no context menu option for renaming a shortcut that you pin. You have to go to the C:\Users\\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs folder to rename the shortcut.

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