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  • vesuvius

    @Dovella: It will take another year for Win 8 to reach market, but most importantly, Apple now have more money than the US Government (and certainly more than some European countries about to Default.

    This means that Apple is hugely popular, so it would be foolish to ignore it. With Android getting 550 000 activations a day it really is now no longer a 1 horse race. I can do almost anything on .NET, and have programmed MSM Server, Delphi and C++. I will not invest in any new C++ features in Windows, I think I am better off learning C in a different environment. That is

    1) The Truth

    2) I am receiving heterogeneous requests from customers where they need to support Windows & Android or Windows & iOS

    I will get an iPad 2 later today.

  • W3bbo

    One of us. One of us. One of us.

    Steve Jobs be praised, another joins us.

  • Dovella

    ,vesuvius wrote

    @Dovella: It will take another year for Win 8 to reach market, but most importantly, Apple now have more money than the US Government (and certainly more than some European countries about to Default.

    This means that Apple is hugely popular, so it would be foolish to ignore it. With Android getting 550 000 activations a day it really is now no longer a 1 horse race. I can do almost anything on .NET, and have programmed MSM Server, Delphi and C++. I will not invest in any new C++ features in Windows, I think I am better off learning C in a different environment. That is

    1) The Truth

    2) I am receiving heterogeneous requests from customers where they need to support Windows & Android or Windows & iOS

    I will get an iPad 2 later today.

    One Year for RTM , but Like Windows 7 , with Beta you can use W8 in many and many tablet.

    I love Acer Iconia Tab W500, . AMD Brazos is Hyper Awesome!

  • spivonious

    +1 on the issues with code-sample-heavy programming books on e-ink readers.

  • IsThisReally​Beer

    @vesuvius:

    I will get an iPad 2 later today.

    Honestly, I'm not saying this to be a jerk or anything, but you're going to want to start thinking about buying at least a Mac mini (The Apple store sells pretty powerful ones for about $500) and getting used to XCode.

    Unlike visual studio, XCode comes free with your Mac. It's not installed by default, but it's on the DVD that comes in the box with the Mac. So does iLife, Garageband, iWeb, iPhoto, iMovie, and so much more.

    Without a Mac, you will find it hard to get the most out of your iPad.

    One Year for RTM , but Like Windows 7 , with Beta you can use W8 in many and many tablet.

    It's too late. Way too late. The Windows CE team is responsible. They just couldn't let it go and maintained that their product was not inferior, and deserved a licensing fee for something that is no longer considered something to pay for by OEMs.

    "My work is truly ....worth something"

    We reached a point (about 5 years ago) where it was like trying to charge for a social network or a web browser. And CE wasn't even any good.

  • Dovella

    @IsThisReallyBeer:

    It's too late. Way too late. ?

    Sorry, iPad is a Toys, W8 tablet is a PC

     

  • IsThisReally​Beer

    @Dovella:

    Things you'll never do on a tablet (at least in our lifetimes):

    1. write software

    2. burn optical media

    3. run a server for a website that is publicly used

    Most everything you need to do on a tablet, you can do with iOS and Honeycomb.

    I mean, do you really need to play your guitar through an iPad?

    http://www.ikmultimedia.com/irig/features/

    But you can. It's one of the most popular apps in the App store.

    http://line6.com/podxt/ == obsolete

    You can also use Garageband on an iPad and many people do.

    I never need to type out anything anymore because thanks to Google I can just talk in my SMS messages, and they're near 100% accurate.

    These are the types of things people use mobile for. Doctors use mobile to keep track of patients. Business uses mobile for logistics. All of these real world applications already run well on iOS and Honeycomb, and have for a couple years now.

    http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-31747_7-20081894-243/ipad-ios-adoption-heating-up-the-business-world/

    Released yesterday, Good's latest quarterly data report (PDF) found that more smartphones and tablets in general have been flooding the workplace. But Apple's iOS has led the way, grabbing 80 percent of all device activations in the enterprise seen by Good during the second quarter. That marks an increase from just less than 70 percent in the first quarter.

    It's just too late.

    A $500 investment per employee such as an iPad or Android Tablet is not a short term investment.

    Microsoft should disengage this pursuit and concentrate on the next round instead or they're just throwing money out of the window. This is Microsoft's "mobile Zune".

    It's going to wind up in the bargain basement bin.

  • IsThisReally​Beer

    Also,

    http://www.buildwindows.com/

    In 1995, Windows changed the PC. BUILD will show you that Windows 8 changes everything.

    The fact that they're trying to invoke nostalgia about past successes in the marketing message shows that this new platform can't stand on it's own.

    In 1995 they didn't market Win 95 as "the biggest thing since PC DOS".

    In 1995 there was little competition. Windows 8 is them trying to catch up. Bill Gates the tyrant is gone.

    Windows 8 is probably going to fragment their own market more than produce any competition for Android or iOS. People like a clear message, because they're mostly sheep, and this operating system so far seems like a conundrum of mixed messages and directions.

  • blowdart

    ,IsThisReally​Beer wrote

    Without a Mac, you will find it hard to get the most out of your iPad.

    That depends what you want to use it for. I use mine for media viewing, the kindle app and the odd game to keep me amused when I'm waiting for a car service. None of which require me to use a mac. Or even hook it up to iTunes on a PC.

  • IsThisReally​Beer

    Most developers that buy an iPad want to write an app for it. While you can use frameworks like PhoneGap to write native apps with HTML5, Javascript and CSS, the best environment is using XCode with the emulator from developer.apple.com

    This is a forum for developers so that justifies my statement.

     

  • W3bbo

    ,blowdart wrote

    *snip*

    That depends what you want to use it for. I use mine for media viewing, the kindle app and the odd game to keep me amused when I'm waiting for a car service. None of which require me to use a mac. Or even hook it up to iTunes on a PC.

    Yeah, the only advantage to using a Mac is the ability to write software for iOS, otherwise the experience is identical because everything goes through iTunes anyway.

     

  • blowdart

    ,W3bbo wrote

     otherwise the experience is identical because everything goes through iTunes anyway.

    Well the iTunes "experience" on a PC sucks balls.

  • Ray7

    beer said:
    Without a Mac, you will find it hard to get the most out of your iPad.
    The iPad I'm using now was connected to a Mac once to register it. It hasn't been connected since. I use it for writing, games and multimedia. When iCloud goes live, all iDevices will be completely wireless.

  • harlock123

    @Ray7:

    What are you using to write for IPAD outside of the Mac's Xcode and ObjectC?

    Not a dig I am curious as I want to do the same...

  • Ray7

    I write novels (well, bits of novels; I couldn't write a whole book on one), short stories and the occasional dodgy poem. The keyboard isn't really suitable for touch-typing, but you can get up to a half-decent speed by pecking at it with your middle fingers. Oh, and it has a great WordPress client, so I do a lot of my blog on it.

  • W3bbo

    ,Ray7 wrote

    I write novels (well, bits of novels; I couldn't write a whole book on one), short stories and the occasional dodgy poem. The keyboard isn't really suitable for touch-typing, but you can get up to a half-decent speed by pecking at it with your middle fingers. Oh, and it has a great WordPress client, so I do a lot of my blog on it.

    In landscape mode I type reasonably fast with good-enough accuracy using my index and middle fingers, there isn't enough room nor tactile feedback for my ring or little fingers (nor do I use my thumb on the space bar). The only problem is when I make a single-character error and the auto-complete pops up and substitutes a totally different word and I never realised until it was too late (because auto-complete is opt-out rather than opt-in, which is annoying). It's one of the few behaviours in Windows Mobile I want brought back.

  • Ray7

    Yup, pretty much agree. The lack of tactile feedback is the real problem, and the need to hit a 'switch' key to get at characters I am used to finding on a standard keyboard. But for writing short pieces on the go, it's fine. As for reading, unless I have a need for colour, then I prefer a Kindle. The text is clearer, and with the WiFi/3G turned off it'll run for weeks without charging.

  • Ray7

    Actually, now I think about it, would it be okay to mention my blog here? It's not really IT-related, but my first novel might be.

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