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Get pen-support in WP now, Microsoft

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    cbae

    Given Windows CE's history, it's a travesty that Android is the first to be getting devices like this.

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    Harlequin

    I have a pen on the 12" Tablet I've had for 6 years, use it all the time in things like OneNote. But I can't see using a pen in the WP7. Would your desire for pen be for the same note-taking? Besides that, I don't see much of any other use for a pen on the WP7.

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    wkempf

    That's too f'n huge to be a phone! Make it phone sized (even large phone sized) and I'm not sure I'd want a stylus for it.

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    Ray7

    Wonder what the battery life is like. 

     

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    cbae

    @Ray7: 2500 mAh battery = awesome battery life

    http://www.phonearena.com/phones/Samsung-GALAXY-Note_id6116

    Talk time: 26 hours

    Standby: 40 days

    Talk time (3G): 13.5 hours

    Standby (3G): 34.2 days

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    figuerres

    , cbae wrote

    Given Windows CE's history, it's a travesty that Android is the first to be getting devices like this.

     

    well if MS does the switch to using Windows core for the next major update to the phones then the pen support should be there already.... if it is needed that is.

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    JoshRoss

    In high school I took a drafting course, and had to write the alphabet repeatedly until my hand writing matched spec. It's been nothing but down hill from that point. Nowadays, handwriting a grocery list can be a troublesome task.

    -Josh

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    Blue Ink

    @Harlequin: a pen is a nice alternative to have, provided that your penmanship is up to scratch, that ink is supported as much as possible across the platform and that, of course, the writing experience is extremely responsive and fluid so that you can write with normal sized characters.

    Surprisingly enough, the latter isn't delivered by the Galaxy. Since the hardware seems to be quite up to the task, I truly hope that this was caused by some firmware/software flaw as otherwise it would mean that we won't get a Courier replacement anytime soon.

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    Ray7

    , JoshRoss wrote

    In high school I took a drafting course, and had to write the alphabet repeatedly until my hand writing matched spec. It's been nothing but down hill from that point. Nowadays, handwriting a grocery list can be a troublesome task.

    -Josh

    I know what you mean. I still try to write letters to people, but nowadays they've started to ask for email, which shows how bad my handwriting is now.

    Still, I would like to see more pen-driven tech like this (though I reckon that is a really big phone). I used to have a Palm pilot, and once I got used to the weird symbols for character entry, it was pretty damn fast.

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    Sven Groot

    My handwriting was terrible back in primary school. It was so bad that people used to say I would become a doctor (because they are known for writing utterly illegible prescriptions).

    It's only gotten worse since then. When I write in block letters, and really slowly, it's sort of OK. If I write in cursive, it looks like a seismometer and even I can't read it back half of the time. Wink

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    Ray7

    , cbae wrote

    @Ray7: 2500 mAh battery = awesome battery life

    http://www.phonearena.com/phones/Samsung-GALAXY-Note_id6116

    Talk time: 26 hours

    Standby: 40 days

    Talk time (3G): 13.5 hours

    Standby (3G): 34.2 days

     

    Very impressive!

     

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    AndyC

    What would be the point? Windows Phone is designed not to need a stylus and it's not going to appear on tablet devices. By contrast Windows itself, which will be on tablets, has vastly superior support for styluses and handwriting recognition than any other OS, thanks to the years or work that have gone into the various Windows Tablet editions.

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    figuerres

    , Sven Groot wrote

    My handwriting was terrible back in primary school. It was so bad that people used to say I would become a doctor (because they are known for writing utterly illegible prescriptions).

    It's only gotten worse since then. When I write in block letters, and really slowly, it's sort of OK. If I write in cursive, it looks like a seismometer and even I can't read it back half of the time. Wink

    I know what you mean, my friends all joke that i am writing in a new language.... it's releated to Gibberish possibly ?  or it's some alien script from another world Smiley

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    Harlequin

    It has less to do with penmanship and more to do with the text recognition. While it's a lot better in Windows 7 here than it was in XP or Vista, it's still not 100%. Example, I write in "FSD", very clearly....it always comes out as "ISD", no idea why. And you write in "cms" it comes out "CMS", because the strokes for lowercase are pretty much the same as uppercase.

    I think for the phone it's a lot quicker and more precise to type with your thumbs on the onscreen keyboard, that it would be with handwriting regognition in OneNote or something.

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    BitFlipper

    Actually I think a stylus is not really meant to replace text input but to allow you to create detailed drawings of all types. This opens up a whole new category that does not currently exist on todays finger devices.

    Yes using a stylus to input text can be useful but I've had an Asus R1F convertible tablet for over 5 years now and I use the stylus extensively to make detailed drawings. Everything from drawing up various designs for home projects, block diagrams of software concepts, quick GUI design ideas, electronic circuits, visualizing collision algorithms for my 3D game pet project, etc. The kind of stuff people used to do with pencil and paper before people forgot how to use a pencil.

    Obviously there is a market for this, otherwise you won't find so many of those aftermarket fat-tipped things that are passed of as "styluses" for the iPhone/iPad.

     

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    Blue Ink

    @Harlequin: for the use case I have in mind, text recognition is irrelevant. Maybe it's just me, but typing feels "sequential", while pen and paper give you a range of expression that is hard to attain otherwise. It doesn't matter how long it takes to recognize the ink, and it would be perfectly ok to do that on demand, or maybe even offline and strictly for indexing purposes (where high accuracy isn't that critical). The only exception is for equations and formulas, but Win7 nailed that pretty well.

    The whole point isn't just that of providing a replacement for a moleskin - the convenience would be hardly justified considering the weight and cost of those - but enhancing the whole experience by providing capabilities that are simply impractical or unthinkable with the "real thing", such as moving text, erasing, changing colors, duplicating sketches... it's a long list.

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    Harlequin

    @Blue Ink: Funny you mention it. Even after 6 years with a tablet I'm looking to grab a nice moleskin at the end of this month. Especially after reading Bill Buxtons sketching books(am still reading new one), I'd like to start getting more into real pencil and paper. Gives sketching things out a more personal, un-technological feel. I've had a 9x12 sketchbook for a year or so now, and it's nice being able to sketch out ideas for web apps, WP7, Windows 8, etc. But a moleskin would be nice for the little things.

    And yes, I also do sketch on my Tablet(Motion COmputing LE1600), but even using nice drawing programs like Autodesk SketchBook Pro, and quickie sketches in OneNote..I don't think anything really replaces pencil to paper.

    Now being able to grab a WP7 and pop out a stylus and do quick sketches would be interesting, and if you've real Bill's books, even the camera on your phone to snap photoes and even videos is a form of sketching.

    Now I think my life would be complete once I get a nice moleskin sketchbook, and Telus finally puts out the Lumix 800 here in B.C. Smiley

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    cbae

    @Harlequin: Moleskin?

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    How about a Moleskine notebook with touchscreen on one side and paper on the other?

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