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    Bass

    http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/07/live-from-googles-chrome-event/

    Interesting that as fast as V8 JavaScript engine is, Google has improved it yet again by 2x.

    The web app store seems pretty impressive, and it might be the total end of software piracy as we know it. Some of the web apps in the store were quite nice.

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    Sven Groot

    Aren't we getting to the point where it's just comparing dick sizes with these JS engine speeds? I never even really thought IE8's JS engine was too slow, it certainly wasn't the primary bottleneck in my browsing.

    Optimizing things is nice and all, but this is becoming optimization for optimization's sake. Don't they have something useful they could be doing?

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    Bass

    @Sven Groot:

    If you are doing simple things like form validation even IE6's JS engine is fast enough. But they want to make highly interactive apps blazing fast even on netbook hardware. The JS speeds really start to matter at that point.

    I find it fascinating though, optimization of purely dynamic languages is something of a frontier in Computer Science.

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    Cream​Filling512

    They have pretty weaksauce hardware acceleration though.  It just does composition in the hardware, and WebGL doesn't count, it has nothing to do with the layout engine it's just a shim.  They have a very long road ahead to get full acceleration with just OpenGL.  Firefox 4 (on Vista/Win7) and IE9 are likely to remain faster than Chrome on graphically intensive sites for awhile.

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    giovanni

    @Bass: I was very intrigued because this might be the first Linux based OS to be widespread enough that my father might be interested. I thought the presentation was a little misleading at times and webcast was not of the best kind.

    • Even if some of the technology will work offline, it looks to me that the device will be incredibly bandwidth intensive. This is definitely going to be a problem for people traveling.
    • I don't think there can be an offline mode for Citrix. Also this will require a very good connection (oh, by the way, didn’t the last demo stop responding?).
    • The PDF rendering demo was extremely fast, but where was the PDF stored? Locally? I don't think it would be possible to download anything that big so fast.
    • The WebGL demo was, well, very similar to another 3D demo given last week yet not as impressive and smooth. Why did they pick WebGL? Is WebGL a standard like HTML5?
    • When one person in the audience asked a question about privacy and keystrokes being sent to Google when using the Omni bar, the answer was something like this "we take privacy very seriously, nothing is stored on your machine."
    • Finally the webcast experience was relatively bad: viewing was interrupted quite a few times because of limited bandwidth and there was no way to pause the show for a few minutes and then pick up from where I left. Microsoft live webcasts are far superior in this sense.
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    Dovella

    Mah ?!

    Chrome MP. is ............ applauncher (and Bookmark Launcher with Big Incons)

     

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    Zeus

    I was dissapointed in that the OS will only ship with OEMs, it's not intended to be downloaded and installed on it's own ... I really wanted to test it on a laptop I have hanging around.

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    contextfree

    Really interested in this Native Client stuff, hope it opens the door to more client language/runtime innovation.

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    itsnotabug

    @Zeus: you should be able to build it from source (but who actually wants to do that?)

    there's also this kid (i think he's in high school) who has a usb bootable build http://chromeos.hexxeh.net/

    i too am excited about the native client. i wonder if anyone is working on a mono and/or .net runtime that can be run inside the browser (or os)

    i signed up for the beta testing pool. 1 in a million chance but you can't win if you don't play: http://www.google.com/chromeos/pilot-program.html

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    contextfree

    IIRC Mono-on-PNaCl has already been made to work, at least for some prototypy definition of "work". I saw it discussed on the PNaCl dev mailing list.

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    Charles

    The Crankshaft optimization strategies (like background compilation, hybrid JIT, register allocation, hot code path computation, interpretation) were employed in Chakra since 2009. The deoptimization stuff is interesting, but they didn't share enough details to fully understand what they're doing there.

    C

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    Charles

    , Zeus wrote

    I was dissapointed in that the OS will only ship with OEMs, it's not intended to be downloaded and installed on it's own ... I really wanted to test it on a laptop I have hanging around.

    Well, ChromeOS is far from a general purpose OS and therefore does not employ support for n hardware configurations... So, it doesn't provide the same capability/support model as a full strength gp OS like Windows or Linux or OSX. It's a web browser shell on top of a Linux kernel with very restricted hardware support. It's more of an appliance OS than anything else and it has a narrow focus. So, like the iPad, it's a single hardware device OS with specific built-in drivers (there is no driver development model) and a closed system to support a single model (web computation). In my mind, this is just device you use to surf the web and run web applications, something you can already do on every major OS. For the Windows case, the obvious truth about IE9 + Windows Vista/7 is that web browsing happens closer to the hardware than on any other browser. So, you can run the rich web AND have a gp OS that runs on a large number of hardware configurations. If a network is not present, then an OS like ChromeOS is not terribly useful, unlike the true gp operating systems...

    I don't see the demise of the gp OS any time soon... Windows 7 is selling like hot cakes, new Windows PC form factors will continue to emerge and evolve, etc. Makes for good press, though, and speculation by the techy masses. Unfortunately, investors are easily fooled and the article I read this morning on Forbes (don't have the URL handy - go to their website and look for an article on MS stock expectations...) indicated that MS stock won't exceed 31 USD partly due to a decrease in PC sales over the next 5 years (on what grounds, exactly?) and more competition in the OS space with the addition of Chrome OS. Seems a tad early to make these claims. ChromeOS versus Windows is apples to oranges.

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    turrican

    @Bass:

    "11:33AM No root for you."

    Hello Apple?

    I will never touch this OS.

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    elmer

    @Charles:There is an awfully large number of consumers who simply don't need and/or want a general purpose OS and for whom such a product will be a perfect fit.

    I'm sure we all know plenty of people who have bought laptops (and then netbooks) only to use web-browsing and hotmail, simply because there was no practical alternative.

    Apple has already shown there is a market there, and once again MS seem to be missing the boat.

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    Charles

    , elmer wrote

    @Charles:There is an awfully large number of consumers who simply don't need and/or want a general purpose OS and for whom such a product will be a perfect fit.

    I'm sure we all know plenty of people who have bought laptops (and then netbooks) only to use web-browsing and hotmail, simply because there was no practical alternative.

    Apple has already shown there is a market there, and once again MS seem to be missing the boat.

    I'm not saying it's not got a use case... Obviously, it does. Windows is a well entrenched, well established, powerful, efficient, performant, capable OS that can run on more pieces of hardware than any other OS in the world (and it does...). IE9 + Windows = best of both worlds -> web browsing runtime that takes advantage of the underlying OS and an underlying OS that supports n number of applications and application platforms. I'll be clearer in what I mean: ChromeOS, even if wildly successful, will not significantly impact Windows in the global marketplace. That's my hypothesis, anyway. Let's not forget that Windows hasn't stopped evolving at Windows 7...

    We'll see Smiley

    C

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    elmer

    @Charleseven if wildly successful, will not significantly impact Windows in the global marketplace

    And the point that I'm trying to make is that MS are missing an opportunity with that approach.

    WP7 is going to struggle in the market place, now that MS left it so late in the day to get serious.

    Apple have shown that by taking what is essentailly the iPhone OS and adapting it to a tablet device, not only do they satisfy a significant market sector, but they reinforce their iPhone market.

    Chrome OS may not kill Windows, but I dare say it will kill WP7, as it almost inevitably merges with Android.

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    Charles

    @elmer: That's my hypothesis. Not Microsoft's... WP7 will continue to evolve. Just like Windows. We're not sitting on our hands.

    C

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    elmer

    Some more interesting thoughts on the subject:

    http://www.anandtech.com/show/4055/anands-thoughts-on-googles-chrome-os

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