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    magicalclick

    Well, Google block WP version of YouTube again because it is not using the HTML5 API which themselves don't use on their iPhone and Android app. This is the would of Google do no evil monopoly at its core.

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    magicalclick

    YouTube HD seems to be blocked too. But YouTube by Esunoka works, which is basically the first version of MS I think, aka, launch mobile site. Use IE to use desktop site works.

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    PeterF

    Google reaching new lows..

    They're now actively blocking the Youtube site for Windows Phone 8 users in new ways.

    1. Just search a video through the Search button, when clicking on the video thumbnail the URL gets redirected to a URL with Nomobile=1 in it and doesn't show the video anymore like it used to be.

    2. Search on the youtube site from within WP8 IE10 and look for "Father Ted Radiohead", it shows "The Adobe Flash Player is required for video playback.". Use 'User Agent Switcher' and use the 'Windows Phone' user agent, which advertises itself as WP7, then everything works fine.

    So either they are actively boycotting WP8 now, or they just don't choose to support it fully. Either option is bad for the end user. Does Google think you're not entitled to watch even our own uploaded content when you're using the wrong type of mobile phone?

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    ScottWelker

    Bad actors all :`(

    What happened to serving customers? ...no matter what device they happen to prefer. Really, really, really bad form - IMHO.

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    Vaccano

    I don't get it...

    Windows Phone 8 has such a small part of the market.  Sure it is a great OS, but why would Google break is "Do no evil" mantra for something like this?

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    evildictait​or

    , Vaccano wrote

    why would Google break is "Do no evil" mantra for something like this?

    That sentence assumes that Google doesn't routinely break it's "do no evil" mantra. Like when it hoovered up all of the wifi data in Europe. Or when they chose not to delete it when instructed to by the EU courts. Or when it filed in a petition that "Gmail users have no expectation of privacy". Or when they would list their own services higher than competing services in their own rankings. Or when they stole Apple's research instead of doing their own in order to push down the cost of their smartphone. Or when they bought Motorola and used it to bring patent lawsuits against large numbers of technology companies.

    Google is a company. Just like Microsoft and Apple. None of them "do no evil", and none of them are pure evil. They all work in the interests of their shareholders first and foremost. And sometimes Google makes the decision that screwing over Windows Phone users is in their commercial interests, motto-be-damned.

    I don't believe for a second that Google engineers on the ground are the cause of these problems. Most Google engineers are pretty genuine and have end users in mind. But the decision to block YouTube on WP is not an engineering decision. It is an executive decision.

    And sadly in the world we live in, executives at Google and Microsoft and frankly most big tech companies, are a bunch of a*holes that care more about their wounded pride and tittle-tattle playground fights with other companies than about giving their customers a good service. And that's a shame.

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    Craig_​Matthews

    "Do no Evil" is nothing but a marketing campaign started to ride the peak of the "Micro$oft is the Evil Satan Incarnate" era. I seriously doubt "Do no Evil" is considered heavily during board meetings.

     

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    Blue Ink

    , Vaccano wrote

    I don't get it...

    Windows Phone 8 has such a small part of the market.  Sure it is a great OS, but why would Google break is "Do no evil" mantra for something like this?

    Don't read too much into this; it's just collateral damage from a global war that has been going on for quite a while. WP may not be much of a problem for Google, but it was an opportunity to put pressure on Microsoft and they took it. I wonder who outmaneuvered whom, though...

    EDIT: WP as a whole may not be a threat, but Nokia is becoming increasingly aggressive in the low-end smartphone market, which was Android's almost exclusive domain. If not a threat, it qualifies at least as a pain in the back.

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    elmer

    , Craig_​Matthews wrote

    I seriously doubt "Do no Evil" is considered heavily during board meetings.

    Eric Schmidt is on record as saying he thought it was a stupid slogan for the company to use.

    Unfortunately, the pressure to produce quarterly performance success all too often results in short-sighted decisions being made by execs.

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    Ray7

    , Vaccano wrote

    I don't get it...

    Windows Phone 8 has such a small part of the market.  Sure it is a great OS, but why would Google break is "Do no evil" mantra for something like this?

    Chances are it's not about the phone; it's about getting access to something that Microsoft has without paying a cent for it. It's Google's typical MO. Could be patents, could be unfettered access to user data.

    It's worth checking to see if Google and Microsoft are in some sort of patent dispute; that's always a good place to start.

    This isn't about the phone; it's about leverage.

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    kettch

    , Ray7 wrote

    *snip*

    unfettered access to user data

    It's probably this one. One of the gripes that seems to keep coming up was that Microsoft's app didn't present targeted ads in the way Google would like. Targeted ads can only happen if the user is getting their data sent to Google.

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    cheong

    , evildictait​or wrote

    I don't believe for a second that Google engineers on the ground are the cause of these problems. Most Google engineers are pretty genuine and have end users in mind. But the decision to block YouTube on WP is not an engineering decision. It is an executive decision.

    The fact the changing the "user agent" string alone makes it work fine is enough to show there's no engineering difficulty blocking it.

    I wonder what would happen if one day users found their Chrome won't run no matter how hard they try, and Microsoft simply say they from now on Chrome is not supported.

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    Ray7

    , cheong wrote

    *snip*

    I wonder what would happen if one day users found their Chrome won't run no matter how hard they try, and Microsoft simply say they from now on Chrome is not supported.

    Google spends a lot of money on lobbying and Microsoft already has one serious conviction under its belt for illegally leveraging its monopoly position. If they attempted something like this then the fines would be the highest ever seen in corporate history; Google would see to that.

    Microsoft is in a tricky position here; the user base for Windows Phone isn't really large enough for Google to worry about losing it.

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    Ray7

    , cheong wrote

    I wonder what would happen if one day users found their Chrome won't run no matter how hard they try, and Microsoft simply say they from now on Chrome is not supported.

    Having said that, is there any reason to stop Chrome from running under Windows? Microsoft could keep Chrome running, but prevent it from transmitting tracking information back to Google.

    Or send the tracking information back scrambled ... for security reasons, obviously.

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    PeterF

    Windows Defender could do the trick Wink

    Still, it's quite strange that Google executives feel so threatened to act like they are doing now and risk more in what regulators could do to get them to behave more like grownups running a business serving up content that they didn't create in the first place.

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    cheong

    @Ray7:It's easy to be evil.

    For example, by saying browsers must support AD integration so the ability to install as standard user must be taken away, and it should listen to certain GP objects, some of them might not even be implemented by IE itself, etc... All under the name of "for security reasons".

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