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Google doesn't allow Microsoft to use YouTube's API in Windows Phone

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    evildictait​or

    , Bass wrote

    @Blue Ink:

    Microsoft has magical native APIs they use in Windows 8 apps that other companies can't use.

    Name some.

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    Dovella
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    BitFlipper

    I used User Agent Switcher in the WP Marketplace. It is a simple shell app around IE for WP that allows you to switch to various user agents. When setting it to anything other than "Windows Phone", maps.google.com renders just fine. What ever happened to using standards and then if the browser doesn't adhere to the standards, then only does it not render fine?

    So Google is basically lying about compatibility issues. If anyone still thinks this isn't Evil then you need a recalibration of what Evil is.

    In the big scheme of things, I don't believe they will be able to affect WP marketshare with these tactics. However the good thing is that this will hopefully open some people's eyes that think Google can do nothing bad.

    It sure didn't take Google long to start using that blank check the FTC just gave them.

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    fanbaby

    Guys, worry that your dotnet skills will be rendered irrelevant if Windows Phone falls flat on its face because of Google's shenanigans? Petition Microsoft to stop abusing its vast patent portfolio against android and Linux. Seems simple to me.

    Google can be evil. To fight evil.

    Anyone who claims patents like "downloading browser background images in parallel" are even worthy of being talked about, is no true developer

    Wink Bas

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    PaoloM

    Watching the amazing spectacle of cognitive dissonance of people claiming that HTML5/JS cannot be cross platform and cheering to Google basically saying "Best viewed with Netscape 4.1" is beyond awesome Smiley

    It definitely sounds like the failure of the open web...

    Keep it going guys, this is really entertaining Smiley

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    fanbaby

    One more thing. Bare with me please, this one isn't simple Smiley

    I believe that the people here that cheered and gloated every time another Linux or andoid company signed patent licensing deal, were mostly Silverlight supporters. They were willing to throw the open web to the dogs, for the sake of what? Microsoft success? Their skills to be more relevant? I don't know for what, but the openness of the web meant nothing to them. I would even go further and say that most of them spread FUD w.r.t. HTML5. FUD like "html5 standard would be done in 2022" etc. All for the sake of Silverlight's (RIP) fight. Now some of them come and talk about standards and cross-platformness? hahaha

     

    To sum up my thesis: Microsoft patents supporters==Silverlight Supporters==Open-web/standards haters==hurt by Google actions==Open-web/stanrdas lovers. a contradiction

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    PaoloM

    , fanbaby wrote

    One more thing. Bare with me please, this one isn't simple Smiley

    I believe that the people here that cheered and gloated every time another Linux or andoid company signed patent licensing deal, were mostly Silverlight supporters. 

    (citation needed)

    They were willing to throw the open web to the dogs, for the sake of what?

    I don't know, you'd have to ask Google this. They're throwing the "open web" away by coding against a single rendering engine instead of using open standards and protocols...

    I don't know for what, but the openness of the web meant nothing to them. I would even go further and say that most of them spread FUD w.r.t. HTML5. FUD like "html5 standard would be done in 2022" etc.

    Well, it's painfully obvious that, according to Google (patron saint of the open web, apparently), HTML5 utterly failed. If even they cannot make it work cross-platform, what chance any other puny human being has to achieve the lofty goals set by the W3C consortium?

    Face it, the fact that Windows Phone cannot access Google Maps is completely irrelevant here. What IS relevant is the admission that either:

    a) HTML/JS cannot be used to develop cross platform applications and you must target a very specific rendering engine implementation in order to achieve some kind of usefulness,

    or

    b) Google's developers are muppets and can not code their way out of a paper bag,

    or

    c) Google is lying.

    Your pick.

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    evildictait​or

    If Microsoft released a patch via Windows Update that uninstalled Google Chrome (your laptop runs my OS, b1tches!) or redirected everyone visiting "www.google.com" to a page saying "Google doesn't work anymore, sorry folks, try bing!", Google would (rightly) be livid and would take Microsoft to the cleaners in court.

    Google doesn't need to make it easy for their competitors. They don't need to write the app for Windows Phone. They don't need their API to be stable. They don't need to fix their site to run on IE. They just need to play fair.

    Targeting one competitor for special negative treatment is classically evil because it punishes the innocent bystanders (i.e. competitor's users) in order to try and score pathetic "points" against the competitor.

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    JoshRoss

    Why would Microsoft make a YouTube client, when they could create one for MSN Soapbox? There is some really good original content there.

    -Josh

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    fanbaby

    @JoshRoss: Thanks for making waste 2:32 minutes of my life (not counting buffering, nice spinner BTW, very stylish)

    You forgot to add that the video applet should have been Silverlight damn it!

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    JoshRoss

    @fanbaby: When he announces that he has his head inside, I had this partial though of, if only this balloon was a large woman. And, then I smiled and tried to think of something else.

    -Josh

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    fanbaby

    , PaoloM wrote

    *snip*

    a) HTML/JS cannot be used to develop cross platform applications and you must target a very specific rendering engine implementation in order to achieve some kind of usefulness,

    or

    b) Google's developers are muppets and can not code their way out of a paper bag,

    or

    c) Google is lying.

    Your pick.

    Easy, it's C. You see, please let me tell you a little history lesson. It used to be that, in my life time, Microsoft was the 800 lb. gorilla that no one wanted to mess with. Everyone wanted to be its friend. Why, people even wanted to pay money to get its certifications. Mothers said to their kids, if you wont eat your meat, Microsoft will come and take your toys. Life was good. But suddenly, the gorilla discovered that the times were a changing. There was this new kid that was talented. Not only that this kid made many awesome toys, it open a lemonade stand and everyone came to drink. I mean everyone (I just saw Coca-Cola the other day). 

    This gorilla was kinda old and knew it's gonna bite the dust one day, so it had a baby, it named WP7, later to be renamed WP8. The gorilla loved the little ugly baby (just teasing you), and said to all the kids you better watch my baby, or else... Then the cool kid said no way that gorilla's baby going to drink at my lemonade stand. No fscking way. Suddenly the poor gorilla found itself in a terrible (so it thought) spot....

    To be continued

    Paolo, lighten up, everything turned out great, Google will bite the dust, Silverlight will make a comeback, JavaScript would disappear, android would bite the dust, and Windows Phone will have 97% market share, and you will be a level g7j at Microsoft.

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    PaoloM

    , fanbaby wrote

    *snip*

    Easy, it's C.

    See? It wasn't that difficult to admit that your favourite company is lying just as they claim others to do. It's ok, everybody know that by now.

    *snip retarded stuff*

     and you will be a level g7j at Microsoft.

    Nice, tho I'd need to go back to work there for that.

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    ZippyV

    Some counter-actions Microsoft should do:

    • Buy Vimeo
    • Create an Vimeo app for Windows Phone 7, 8 and Windows RT
    • Remove Flash support from Windows RT
    • Launch a promo campaign for Vimeo and questioning Google's net neutrality
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    JoshRoss

    @ZippyV: Remove Flash support?

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    cheong

    , JoshRoss wrote

    @ZippyV: Remove Flash support?

    I have doubt on that one too... Flash is still too important to be removed from any useful web surfing device.

    If Microsoft wants to make Youtube unable to render on Windows, they should just ban the WebM codec.

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    fanbaby

    , ZippyV wrote

    Some counter-actions Microsoft should do:

    • Buy Vimeo
    • Create an Vimeo app for Windows Phone 7, 8 and Windows RT
    • Remove Flash support from Windows RT
    • Launch a promo campaign for Vimeo and questioning Google's net neutrality

    I gather your point was to ban YouTube from Windows RT. Wouldn't it make more sense if Window RT had more market share? 

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