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Google doesn't allow Microsoft to use YouTube's API in Windows Phone

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    fanbaby

    , PaoloM wrote

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    (citation needed)

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    Do a simple test: search twitter for HTML5. Check out the negative tweets. For example a recent tweet is:

    the wave is huge, I don't see it changing, devs will code to WebKit and hit huge majority, easier than supporting "HTML5" whatever that is

     

    Now look at this Bill Reiss profile: "Senior Consultant at AgileThought, Silverlight MVP, indie game developer of Popper 2 and Wipeout games for Windows Phone and soon for Windows 8"

     

    A few notes:

    1. As time goes by, you see fewer negative tweets about HTML5
    2. You might argue this is anecdotal, but I find that high percentage of HTML5 FUDders are like this
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    PaoloM

    This last couple of days finally showed who the biggest "HTML5 fudders" are... did you like Google's lies and hilarious retractions?

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    Bass

    @fanbaby:

    When you think about it, even if they might not own a single Microsoft stock, they are still literally invested in Microsoft because their skill set is so focused on what Microsoft puts out. I think they believe if they FUD HTML5 enough, Silverlight will come back from the dead, WP will emerge from obscurity, and the years of professional experience they invested in it will suddenly become relevant again.

    It's kind of a sad thing in a way though, but fortunately the tech industry always has lots of open jobs so it is never hard to be employed even with obsolete skills. I doubt this will change any time soon, but if it does expect it to get even dirtier.

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    PaoloM

    @Bass:i wish one day to find out who these "they" are... maybe you mean Google, that so clearly displayed how they need to rely on a very specific rendering engine implementation to have something working, throwing the whole promise of HTML5 under the bus?

     You guys are a riot, it looks just like watching Fox News Smiley

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    evildictait​or

    , cheong wrote

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    I have doubt on that one too... Flash is still too important to be removed from any useful web surfing device.

    Flash is partially disabled in Windows RT. There's a whitelist of sites that flash will work on which currently includes YouTube. The intention is that as sites on the whitelist move to HTML5 they will be removed from the list until the list becomes empty, at which point Microsoft will have in effect banned flash from Windows RT.

    http://news.softpedia.com/news/How-to-Enable-Flash-Websites-on-Windows-RT-and-Surface-RT-311245.shtml

    Also, unless you are claiming that the iPhone and iPad are not "useful", they are good counter examples of web surfing devices that don't have flash.

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    Bass

    , evildictait​or wrote

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    For fun, in alexa100 the following use IIS:

    www.live.com
    msn.com
    microsoft.com
    conduit.com
    go.com

    I just felt like mentioning this earlier but didn't. fanbaby, see you are wrong.

    As you can see. IIS is go.ing places, like go.com places. And not just go.com which seems to be a glorified RSS feed with a Yahoo search bar. No siree. It's also powering conduit.com, which provides a pretty amazing "social toolbar" that I'm sure you will all install because it won't do anything bad to your computer.

    This is honestly more pathetic then I thought. I could have sworn more people used IIS, wasn't it  just behind Apache at some point. Weird.

    EDIT: Stackoverflow is IIS for sure, and it's a Real Site. Rejoice! So it's not the end of the world or anything.

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    Ray7

    , Bass wrote

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    I just felt like mentioning this earlier but didn't. fanbaby, see you are wrong.

    As you can see. IIS is go.ing places, like go.com places. And not just go.com which seems to be a glorified RSS feed with a Yahoo search bar. No siree. It's also powering conduit.com, which provides a pretty amazing "social toolbar" that I'm sure you will all install because it won't do anything bad to your computer.

    This is honestly more pathetic then I thought. I could have sworn more people used IIS, wasn't it  just behind Apache at some point. Weird.

    EDIT: Stackoverflow is IIS for sure, and it's a Real Site. Rejoice! So it's not the end of the world or anything.

    IIS (indeed any Windows setup) costs money to install. Most startups are smart and broke, so they know they can do the same for (more or less) free. That doesn't mean IIS is a bad server, it just means that it costs money.

    The fact that StackOverflow runs on IIS is actually a pretty good ad for its robustness IMO

     

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    evildictait​or

    , Bass wrote

    *snip*

    I just felt like mentioning this earlier but didn't. fanbaby, see you are wrong.

    As you can see. IIS is go.ing places, like go.com places. And not just go.com which seems to be a glorified RSS feed with a Yahoo search bar. No siree. It's also powering conduit.com, which provides a pretty amazing "social toolbar" that I'm sure you will all install because it won't do anything bad to your computer.

    This is honestly more pathetic then I thought. I could have sworn more people used IIS, wasn't it  just behind Apache at some point. Weird.

    EDIT: Stackoverflow is IIS for sure, and it's a Real Site. Rejoice! So it's not the end of the world or anything.

    It also runs Paypal (and bing), but they strip the Server header so I decided not to include it in the list.

    Note that Apache is pretty poorly represented in the list too. The thing that surprised me most about the list is how many are using bespoke servers.

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    cheong

    , evildictait​or wrote

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    Flash is partially disabled in Windows RT. There's a whitelist of sites that flash will work on which currently includes YouTube. The intention is that as sites on the whitelist move to HTML5 they will be removed from the list until the list becomes empty, at which point Microsoft will have in effect banned flash from Windows RT.

    http://news.softpedia.com/news/How-to-Enable-Flash-Websites-on-Windows-RT-and-Surface-RT-311245.shtml

    Also, unless you are claiming that the iPhone and iPad are not "useful", they are good counter examples of web surfing devices that don't have flash.

    Not a very good example for me as I've never like iPhone/iPad. But I do agree you have a point there.

    Btw, AFAIK there's still quite some jobs on job market that requires ActionScript skill. In other words, even when HTML5 become mainstream, I don't expect Flash to fade away within 3 years.

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    elmer

    I gather that Google have removed the ban and their web-based maps service is available to WP8 again... and it all works as expected.

    Apparently, Google say, oops!

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    cheong

    @elmer:Checked Google Map works without user agent changer. Smiley

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    magicalclick

    Yup, Google Map is up.

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    cbae

    What I've noticed is that companies could have their public-facing sites on a number of different platforms, but once I sign in to access their real services, I see plenty of these still running on that obsolete platform called "ASP.NET".

    Off the top of my head, I know that ordering systems for dell.com, buy.com, newegg.com, godaddy.com, and unline.com run on ASP.NET. tigerdirect.com and armani.com actually both still run on classic ASP, believe it or not.

    In finance, the trading system for schwab.com and account management for chase.com run on ASP.NET.

    I just traveled this past week. I flew United and rented from Dollar. Both united.com and dollar.com happen to run on ASP.NET. While on travel, I had to buy a webcam for my parents, so I checked microcenter.com. That site runs on ASP.NET.

    This is just from the handful of sites that I've used. I can't believe so many of these companies don't realize they're using an obsolete technology.

    ASP.NET websites of some other high-profile companies that I know include: kpmg.com, accenture.com, bain.com (Bain & Co.), bcg.com (Boston Consulting Group), and rbs.co.uk.

    ml.com (Merrill Lynch) is still running on classic ASP.

    I've also seen plenty of government sites running on ASP.NET: defense.gov (US Department of Defense), navy.mil (still on classic ASP), marines.mil, uscg.mil (classic ASP), sfgov.org (City and County of San Francisco), and sccgov.org (City and County of Santa Clara, of all places).

    Yeah, it's pretty pathetic.

     

     

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    cbae

    As you browse for all of those Linux+Java jobs because you think Microsoft technology is obsolete, you'll have to view all of those job postings rendered from a server that runs ASP.NET:

    http://jobsearch.monster.com/California+Santa-Clara_12?sf=17&re=nv_gh_gnl1147_%2F

     

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    Bass

    @cbae:

    Anyway, thanks for pointing out all the impressive stuff going on in the ASP world I guess. I'm more interested in learning more about all their COBOL opportunities though.

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    cbae

    @Bass: What's COBAL?

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    Bass

    @cbae:

    A common shorthand for hydroxocobalamin.

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