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Google wants royalty of $45 per computer sold with Windows; Microsoft files EU anti-trust complaint

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    Bass

    This for licensing some patents Google owns that Windows apparently infringes on. Funny how that works.

    http://blogs.technet.com/b/microsoft_on_the_issues/archive/2012/02/22/google-please-don-t-kill-video-on-the-web.aspx

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    l000000l

    http://www.microsoft.com/Presspass/press/2012/jan12/01-12LGPR.mspx

    http://androidandme.com/2011/08/news/microsoft-makes-more-money-from-android-than-windows-phone/

    "Even if all the Windows Phone devices sold were from HTC, that would still mean $5 a unit for over 10 million units sold–leaving Microsoft with $50 million in revenue from Android phones, or $30 million more than what the company made from Windows Phone."

    The best way to win this is to ignore the game. These are whiny babies in charge of NASDAQ companies with no interest in the public. They only feign it on blogs to claim social interest.

    Microsoft clearly started this and they can't finish it. Bill Gates would have never had this problem.

    Also, Motorola's patents are not in any part of the H.264 MPEGLA pools:

    http://www.mpegla.com/main/programs/AVC/Pages/Licensors.aspx

    http://www.mpegla.com/main/programs/M4V/Pages/Licensors.aspx

    http://www.mpegla.com/main/programs/M4S/Pages/Licensors.aspx

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    magicalclick

    @Bass:

    This doesn't make any sense. I am watching video via web using Flash. Flash != Windows. And Wifi router and adapters are not made by MS as well. I already paid Wifi license fee to the hardware manufacture and downloaded their legally licensed drivers for an OS. It has nothing to do with the OS I am using.

      

    Leaving WM on 5/2018 if no apps, no dedicated billboards where I drive, no Store name.
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    JeremyJ

    @Bass: You didn't really read that right I think.  This dispute is for FRAND patents.  It isn't the same as standard patents.

    "I can see what Apple and Microsoft are complaining about. If every owner of standard-essential patents behaved like Motorola, this industry would be in chaos, and grind to a halt. Just in the field of wireless telecommunications standards, there are hundreds of essential portfolios, and Motorola's assertions also include related technologies such as the H.264 video codec.

    Standard-essential patents aren't powerful because of their technical merits. Most of the time they aren't particularly innovative. They're just critical because they cover mandatory parts of standards. That's the only reason they can't be worked around once they are part of an industry standard. It's key that the owners of such patents act responsibly, and if some of them don't, antitrust intervention is needed."

    http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2012/02/after-apple-microsoft-also-files-eu.html

     This is just Google trying to get back at Microsoft for all of the Android lawsuits.  Microsoft licenced the patents and Google is raising the prices.  Google just steals other people's ideas and calls them their own.  Big difference.

     

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    Bass

    Microsoft sponsored blogger you linked to.

    We will see. I think Google could really improve a lot of their services with such a huge payout, so hopefully they get most of what they are asking for. It's really what Google needs to take Android to the next level.

    I think it's quite fair and reasonable, it's only a 2.25% royalty that they want. Apparently the $45 comes from a $2000 computer.

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    cbae

    Does Microsoft even distribute H.264 codecs with Windows? If not, I don't see how Google can claim Microsoft has to pay the licensing fee for each copy of Windows.

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    Proton2

    How about I buy a computer with no pre-installed OS on it. In fact I have never bought a desktop computer with an OS installed, and the last couple of decades I just buy components such as motherboards and build my own.

    My first laptop, a Sanyo 8086/8 4Mhz didn't come with an OS, or a hard-drive. My second, and last laptop came with Windows 98. I've had a dozen pocket or mobile devices with US Robotics/Palm OS, then Windows CE and Rims BlackBerry PlayBook (which is what I am using right now Smiley

    I do not like Google, and I have only used an Apple for a few moments once (the first and last time I may have even touched an Apple product, no kidding).

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    cbae

    Microsoft charges what? Like $50 for an OEM copy of Windows? And Google wants $45 on a $2000 notebook? Good luck with that, Google.

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    Sven Groot

    @cbae: They do. Windows has had the ability to play h.264 video out of the box since Windows Vista.

    IE9 also uses h.264 for HTML5 video, but I suppose Google wants everyone to switch to WebM anyway on that front.

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    AndyC

    So will Google also be going after every other manufacturer of devices and software that use h.264, like Apple, Sony and the multitude of camera manufacturers for equally large royalties? And is that more or less evil than only going after Microsoft?

    I'm sure it's all just part of their social agenda though, right?

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    fanbaby

    once in a distant thread, AndyC wrote

    Well, speaking for myself, I don't work for Microsoft or Motorola, I'm not investing money in either of them and nor am I a lawyer. So it's pretty much irrelevant which way it goes. Just another case of two massive multinationals having a little dispute in court. It'll get ruled one way or another and things will continue with one or other company possibly taking a slight hit in their profits. Happens every day, nothing to waste time worrying about.

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    AndyC

    @fanbaby: Am I worrying about it? Nope. Neither do I care what the outcome will actually be.

    I'm only amused by how this aligns with the whole "Do No Evil" / Social Agenda thing.

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    , AndyC wrote

    @fanbaby: Am I worrying about it? Nope. Neither do I care what the outcome will actually be.

    I'm only amused by how this aligns with the whole "Do No Evil" / Social Agenda thing.

    Well I'm worried about it. These lawsuits aren't free and the "awards" that are won come right out of our back pockets. Corporations don't decide to take less profit because they lost a lawsuit. Even if comprimise is won through tweeking design there is still the cost of that change.

    World War III won't be fought on the battlefield; it will be fought in the courtroom. We're just witnessing the escalation of political tension before things really get ugly. As more and more of these threats are made, verdicts won, and new precedents established our ability to operate and independent software developers will cease to exist. We will have to align ourselves to one of the "houses" that can better protect our work from lawsuit.

    Everyone is doing it; Apple, Microsoft, Google, and the countless faceless patent holding companies so don't kid yourself that any one of these companies is better than another.

    If we all believed in unicorns and fairies the world would be a better place.
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    evildictait​or

    , DeathByVisualStudio wrote

    These lawsuits are free

    What planet do you have to live on for lawsuits to be free!?

    World War III won't be fought on the battlefield; it will be fought in the courtroom. 

    Hyperbole much?

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    Bass

    @DeathByVisualStudio:

    I've become so cynical fighting the idea software patents that honestly I don't really anymore. I've basically given up on the world being a nice place. It's just a dirty place where people screw each other over for self-gain, and nothing we do can help that. Basically I've become more cynical and less idealistic as a whole as I "mature". I wonder how I will be 10 years. Probably a patent troll myself.

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    , evildictaitor wrote

    *snip*

    What planet do you have to live on for lawsuits to be free!?

    Corrected. Read in context much?

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    , Bass wrote

    @DeathByVisualStudio:

    I've become so cynical fighting the idea software patents that honestly I don't really anymore. I've basically given up on the world being a nice place. It's just a dirty place where people screw each other over for self-gain, and nothing we do can help that. Basically I've become more cynical and less idealistic as a whole as I "mature". I wonder how I will be 10 years. Probably a patent troll myself.

    I agree. Unfortunately I don't think I'll ever be able to afford being a patent troll. It's the chicken-before-the-egg syndrome: How do afford the patent filing (and all of the lawyers that go with it) before I make any money from my software? If I put my software out there to generate income to pay for the patent filing and lawyers someone else can patent its ideas and sue me especially now that it's "first to file". And even if I'm able to afford the patent up front I certainly can't afford to battle someone with deep pockets in the courtroom. It basically becomes blackmail: "We won't sue you if you share your profits with us. Don't mind that our patent has nothing to do with your software or no merits at all for that matter. We've got tons of cash and great lawyers." How do you fight that? Software houses and patent holding companies quickly become like legalized organized crime.

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    Blue Ink

    @DeathByVisualStudio: No, once you put your software on the market you establish prior art.

    But don't worry, that's not how patent trolls fight. They would let you get your patent, then send you a letter stating "Dear Sir, we see that your algorithm uses the nop instruction that we happen to have patented. You owe us a gazillion dollars and five cents".

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