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Gotta wonder what Microsoft thinks of apps like this...

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    Stardock has done it again: They fixed another glaring issue with Windows 8 for desktop users. I have to wonder what the Windows division guys think about apps like this?

    BTW, I did buy ModernMix and it works great. The only thing they are missing is the ability to take an app that was launched as full-screen and change it to a window on the desktop. (You can launch them as a window by default or as a window if launched by some 3rd party start menu while on the desktop)

    Maybe I'll start using some of the Windows 8 Store Apps now that I can run them as a window on the desktop. They scale quite well too when their window is re-sized.

    Magicalclick: The Windows 8 Store Apps all show up on the desktop task bar just like regular desktop apps. You can even pin them. I think this is the droid you were looking for... 

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    PopeDai

    What Microsoft thinks? That'd be whatever our Legal and Corporate Affairs department says, assuming they need to issue a statement, but a utility program like this doesn't seem to doing anything that would concern them - as a company we will undoubtedly remain silent.

    As for what Microsoft's employees think? I showed the link to some of my colleagues (including a Lead and few Senior folks) just now  and they had very positive reactions and wanted to install it themselves - no doubt they're doing that as I type this.

    There is a huge disconnect between what is officially said and what we, as individuals think. Don't forget that  we're people too (and yes, some of us hate VS2012's UI too, even some of the people on VS's UX team).

    Disclaimer: these are my opinions, not the company's, yada yada.

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    , PopeDai wrote

    What Microsoft thinks? That'd be whatever our Legal and Corporate Affairs department says, assuming they need to issue a statement, but a utility program like this doesn't seem to doing anything that would concern them - as a company we will undoubtedly remain silent.

    As for what Microsoft's employees think? I showed the link to some of my colleagues (including a Lead and few Senior folks) just now  and they had very positive reactions and wanted to install it themselves - no doubt they're doing that as I type this.

    There is a huge disconnect between what is officially said and what we, as individuals think. Don't forget that  we're people too (and yes, some of us hate VS2012's UI too, even some of the people on VS's UX team).

    Disclaimer: these are my opinions, not the company's, yada yada.

    Fair enough and thanks for the response. I would hope that Microsoft (the company) listens well to Microsoft (the employees). Maybe apps like this will start the discussion on what to do with the desktop next. Sometimes it's hard to see the usefulness of something unless you can play with it. Here's hoping...

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    DCMonkey

    Brilliant. That's how Windows 8 apps should work out of the box. Almost makes me want to start my Windows 8 machine up again. Almost.

    PS: Anyone else remember DesqView?

     

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    blowdart

    , DCMonkey wrote

    PS: Anyone else remember DesqView?

     

    And QEMM386 Smiley Used to use it back in my DOS development days. Along with Borland C++

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    elmer

    I have to say, what Stardock have done deals with most of the issues I (and by that I do also mean the company I work for) have with Win8.

    With this utility, I feel that I could roll out Win8 as the next upgrade to our Standard Operating Platform, and not be in fear of spending the next x months dealing with complaints and excuses about why/how the computer ate their homework, etc etc.

    Unfortunately, convincing management that we should buy & add this to our SOP just to eliminate the issues we have with Win8, when Win7 is doing the job just fine, is going to be a hard sell.

    MS *REALLY* need to look hard at this, and the issues it is trying to solve, and then re-evaluate their 'no compromises' solution, which currently requires desktop users to make compromises.

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    Sven Groot

    Presumably, MS is thankful for this because it increases the chances of some of the naysayers adopting Windows 8 without MS actually having to do any work themselves. Smiley

    This one in particular might actually make MS money since it may increase acceptance of Metro apps on the desktop, and MS gets a share of store purchases. And again, without any effort on their part.

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    @Sven Groot: And that's why you're a Dr. --pretty smart assessment. Wink

    Sadly it makes Microsoft (corporate) sound like they've left the desktop behind -- which I believe has been the truth since the release of Windows 8. I'd rather be wrong in this regard but all signs point to "yes". With the recent price drop of Windows 8 for OEMs putting it on tablets IMO they are really working hard getting the world to flip from desktop to tablets and over to the new WinRT stack & store.

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    cbae

    @DeathByVisualStudio: Microsoft = The Devices and Services Company

    If I were to put on my tinfoil hat, it would sound to me like Microsoft secretly wants to be like Google and turn Windows into Chrome with Office built right into the OS and everything else embodied as HTML-based applications hosted on Azure.

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    magicalclick

    @DeathByVisualStudio: awwwwwwwsome!!!!! thank you for sharing. My problem with Metro Apps are finally resolved by people who have common senses. I can now keep one Skype that actually works for both scenarios instead of half assed experience that only works for either scenario.

    Leaving WM on 5/2018 if no apps, no dedicated billboards where I drive, no Store name.
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    magicalclick

    @DeathByVisualStudio: I don't consider they want to leave desktop behind. I just consider they are on crack.

    Leaving WM on 5/2018 if no apps, no dedicated billboards where I drive, no Store name.
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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    , cbae wrote

    @DeathByVisualStudio: Microsoft = The Devices and Services Company

    If I were to put on my tinfoil hat, it would sound to me like Microsoft secretly wants to be like Google and turn Windows into Chrome with Office built right into the OS and everything else embodied as HTML-based applications hosted on Azure.

    But if you took that tinfoil hat off you'd see that Microsoft secretly wants to be like Apple with native applications you buy from an app store including native Office apps that have been dumbed-down to run on ARM. Wink 

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    Bass

    Can Microsoft secretly try be like nobody else and try to come up with original technologies that solve old problems?

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    Craig_​Matthews

    Great. Now maybe someone can come out with an addon that let's me have Aero back so I don't have to look at this crappy flat-* Atari 1040ST color scheme in the desktop.

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    PopeDai

    , Bass wrote

    Can Microsoft secretly try be like nobody else and try to come up with original technologies that solve old problems?

    (Sincere response)

    • Problem: toolbars and menubars don't work for applications with 300+ commands. Solution: the ribbon.
    • Problem: Java is terrible. Solution: C# and the CLR
    • Problem: Online match-making for games is hard. Solution: Zone.com (RIP)
    • Problem: It's hard to write a song. Solution: Songsmith!
    • Problem: We're a large company that billions of people interact with, but is frustrating to work with due to a lack of transparency. Solution: Channel9 and employee blogging.

    The issues with Windows 8 aren't "old problems", they're very new.

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    Bass

    I agree those are all good examples. But the last two posters were says that Microsoft secretly wants to be like Google and Apple respectively, but trying to out-Apple Apple or out-Google Google is kinda a bad way to do business I think.

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    contextfree`

    I wasn't expecting to like this since I'm mostly happy with Windows 8 as it is and don't see the need for stuff like emulating old versions of the start menu, but it's actually pretty sweet. You can set it up so WinStore apps run fullscreen like normal, but with the ability to basically turn the app into a desktop app (and back again) with a simple keystroke or GUI button press, which actually feels fairly quick and natural. This is ideal for me because again I'm happy with the default behavior *most* of the time (on my laptop), but occasionally hit a situation where I want to see something else at the same time and the snap view doesn't show what I'm interested in.   

    My biggest issue - which tbh is kind of a dealbreaker in terms of my buying this and keeping it installed, but since it's a beta maybe it'll be changed/fixed (or made optional to the extent it's intentional) by release - is that the recent apps thumbnail list on the left is (IMO) basically broken by this. It borks the switching animation (which I find makes the system feel smoother and doesn't slow anything down significantly, plus the non-animation here adds some weird flicker as well), and WinStore apps running in "desktop mode" still appear in the thumbnail list and switch to the app on the desktop, which I find disconcerting.

    Basically, what I'd personally prefer is that apps running in "new UI mode" should behave and be treated by the system exactly as WinStore apps are now (so they should suspend/resume, be shown in the thumbnail list, NOT be shown on the taskbar, etc.) and WinStore apps running in "desktop mode" should as much as possible behave and be treated exactly as desktop apps are now (so they should NOT suspend/resume, NOT be shown in the thumbnail list, be shown in the taskbar, etc.). I know some people like the idea of having a unified taskbar but I actually like having apps that suspend/resume be off to the left as it clears up the taskbar for more pinned desktop apps. I also think it makes sense for apps with completely different lifecycle mechanisms to have different UI for managing their lifecycles. If not for this issue I'd definitely pay the $5 for this otherwise very cool mod.

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