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HP Takes a hit on WebOS

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  • Ian2
  • kitron

    @magicalclick: Thats true, this is mostly Microsoft's fault.  What option did HP have other than buy their own tablet os or use Android?  iPad was released 18 months ago and there is no response from MS yet.

  • Proton2

    32GB was just not enough storage on their tablet. 64GB is the minimum sweet spot for storage, like my BlackBerry PlayBook has.

  • Ray7

    I think the bigger story is HP exiting the PC business. I'm a big fan of WebOs but I think HP has made the right move. The market for phones and tablets is not the same as it was when they bought Palm and they took far too long to stake their claim. Google and Apple pretty much own it now. As Jobs said, we're in the Post-PC era (which means nobody except Apple can make money selling PCs).

  • Ray7

    Ian2 said:
    Not sure how this is a win for Microsoft if HP is pulling out of the PC / Tablet business. They're moving into software services. Will they use Windows or push Linux? And what about the printers?

  • AndyC

    ,Ray7 wrote

    I think the bigger story is HP exiting the PC business.

    Since when are they quitting the PC business? They're getting rid of the consumer lines, but there is no suggestion they'll stop the very profitable business PC lines. Unless I missed something?

  • algorith

     Maybe MS should buy HP's PC division. Maintain the same Windows philosophy but lead the way with hardware made to show off all the things the OS has to offer. 

  • Ian2

    @algorith:I think that could be the straw for the other PC manufacturers ..

  • figuerres

    ,algorith wrote

     Maybe MS should buy HP's PC division. Maintain the same Windows philosophy but lead the way with hardware made to show off all the things the OS has to offer. 

    please no....

    several reasons why it would be a bad idea:

    here are the first few....

    1)  that would mean that MS would have to shuffle people around and work on yet another thing.

    2) hp has problems plus buying a compay costs a lot of money both in the sale cost but also in the transation cost. ms needs to use that money in better ways IMHO

    3)  other pc Mfg companies who get windows and office from MS, how will they react to MS competing directly against them?

    4) law suites and court time and cost.  i would bet that someone would start accusing MS of evil stuff and want the DOJ and others to go after them...

     

    and what would MS get for all that trouble ??  not much as the margin on hardware is *VERY* small.

    not worth it in the end really.

  • spivonious

    I can't say that I'm surprised that the Touchpad failed. WebOS just was never ready for prime time.

    I am surprised that HP is pulling out the consumer market. Aren't they in the top three OEMs?

    Microsoft should definitely not buy HP. They need to stay focused on what they do best: software. MS has so many neat ideas that the public doesn't know about. Maybe MS could buy Apple's marketing division. The latest iPhone ads are a great example of well-executed marketing. "Here's the product, here's something it does." No fluff, no big production values, just showing a neat feature of the product.

  • Ray7

    AndyC said:
    Since when are they quitting the PC business? They're getting rid of the consumer lines, but there is no suggestion they'll stop the very profitable business PC lines. Unless I missed something?
    I think you missed the part where they said they're quitting the PC business http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-14584428

  • Lee_Dale

    I would really like to see MS buy the PC business and basically get some top industrial design boffins and go head to head with Apple.

    I just want to see an out and out war between the two biggest tech companies in the world. Winner takes all no messing about.

    I reckon with their resources MS could crush Apple from existence.

  • AndyC

    @Ray7: It's being reported as that, but the actual quote from HP on the PC business is that it "will consider a broad range of options that may include, among others, a full or partial separation... from HP through a spin-off or other transaction".

    That's not quite the same thing, since it suggests HP might choose to retain part of the PC business, probably business-focused machines, so I don't think it's quite as clear cut as HP getting out of the PC market entirely.

  • cbae

    Apparently, HP is still trying to clean up Carly Fiorina's mess.

  • kettch

    HP's failures in the consumer PC market are the fault of nobody but themselves. It's the same set of problems that other PC makers have: Crapware, confusing product lines with 5000 price points, crapware, poor industrial design, and a terrible website.

    The websites are the worst. It's almost as if they are designed to prevent you from buying anything. Part of that is from the huge number of offerings, but they would do well to have completely different sites for business and home. Simplify, simplify, simplify!

    I tried to explain this to somebody the other day. His business is struggling, and he's overworked. He keeps thinking that if he just works a little harder, and produces a larger variety of products, that things will get better. In fact, the opposite is true. Fewer products, and more of them is much easier on the workforce, it's more efficient, and you get higher quality. Then you can concentrate on solid marketing to push your reach.

  • ScanIAm

    ,cbae wrote

    Apparently, HP is still trying to clean up Carly Fiorina's mess.

    Hers was a fukushima level fail.

  • Ray7

    ,AndyC wrote

    @Ray7: It's being reported as that, but the actual quote from HP on the PC business is that it "will consider a broad range of options that may include, among others, a full or partial separation... from HP through a spin-off or other transaction".

    That's the most transparent euphemism for 'W'ere quitting the PC business' that I've ever heard, and I still don't see where they say they're only dumping the consumer machines. It looks to me like whatever the plan is, it's going to take the whole PC division.

    That's not quite the same thing, since it suggests HP might choose to retain part of the PC business, probably business-focused machines, so I don't think it's quite as clear cut as HP getting out of the PC market entirely.

    Well, they 'might' do anything. The IT rags are reporting what's most likely. I think the spin-off is a precursor to a sale.

    This is not to say that the PC market is dead, only that the margins are so thin it isn't worth HP's effort to be involved in it. IBM came to the same decision years ago, and they're thriving as a software services company.

    And as far as I can tell, Lenovo is still selling PCs

  • kettch

    ,Ray7 wrote

    IBM came to the same decision years ago, and they're thriving as a software services company.

    Plus, IMO, Lenovo is doing a pretty good job. From what I've seen, they are doing well in the original business PC market, and making some pretty good consumer stuff too. Making that break from the mothership could be just what HP's PC business needs.

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