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HP Takes a hit on WebOS

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  • Ray7

    ,leeappdalec‚Äčom wrote

    I would really like to see MS buy the PC business and basically get some top industrial design boffins and go head to head with Apple.

    I just want to see an out and out war between the two biggest tech companies in the world. Winner takes all no messing about.

    I reckon with their resources MS could crush Apple from existence.

    If it was just a question of opportunity and resources then MS would have crushed Apple long ago.

  • cbae

    ,Ray7 wrote

    *snip*

    If it was just a question of opportunity and resources then MS would have crushed Apple long ago.

    The DoJ agrees.

  • magicalclick

    @Ray7:

    I disagree. MS cannot have App Store before apple because MS is law suite magnet. All these are only possible when MS waited someone else made it first (and popular), so, they have a better flame shield. Crushing Apple would just limit the progress, not because MS doesn't want to improve, but, every time they do something new, they attract evil lawyers and judges.

    Leaving WM on 5/2018 if no apps, no dedicated billboards where I drive, no Store name.
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  • kettch

    @magicalclick: The "evil" prefix is redundant.

  • Bass

    You also have to get with the program that Apple is no small fish anymore, they are the largest technology in the world by market capitalization and cash reserves. Microsoft can't outspend Apple - if there was a spending war between Apple and Microsoft, Apple would win.

    Microsoft is only a lawsuit magnet because they made themselves into a lawsuit magnet. Microsoft's greatest innovation was to apply Standard Oil business practices to the software sector. No one else "thought" of that, as far as I am aware. Unfortunately this sort of thing happens to be illegal in many countries in the world.

    The fact that Microsoft is still around holds testament that breaking the law might have not been such a bad idea, when the the benefits of breaking the law are greater than the penalties.

  • Ray7

    ,magicalclick wrote

    @Ray7:

    I disagree. MS cannot have App Store before apple because MS is law suite magnet. All these are only possible when MS waited someone else made it first (and popular), so, they have a better flame shield. Crushing Apple would just limit the progress, not because MS doesn't want to improve, but, every time they do something new, they attract evil lawyers and judges.

    Well, that's sort of Microsoft's fault for breaking the law, I'm afraid. Since then, they have had plenty of time and chances to make any progress, but their inability to break from the Windows hegemony is really what's holding them back. 

  • Ray7

    Here's an Engadget interview with Stephen DeWitt (head of HP's WebOS division) in which he says absolutely nothing at all.

    Here's the really scary part:

    We're talking with Microsoft about Windows tablets. We have a Windows tablet in the market right now that is very much a solution in our vertical approaches -- not something that we put on the shelves of Best Buy, because, obviously, if you're going to be on the shelves of Best Buy, you're competing against the iPad.

    There's a growing feeling in the industry that there is no tablet market, only an iPad market. HP seems to agree, and this in line with the price-slashing that's going on across the board. No one can catch the iPad, so HP is looking into vertical markets to see if it can pick up anything there. 

    In a way, it's sort of ironic. When Jobs returned to Apple he said that announced to a shocked Mac community that 'the PC wars are over, and we lost.' He then set about creating a new marketplace for Apple, which is where we are today. 

    I wonder if the likes of HP are thinking the same thing: 'The tablet wars are over, and we didn't even make it out of the trench.'

  • figuerres

    ,Ray7 wrote

    Here's an Engadget interview with Stephen DeWitt (head of HP's WebOS division) in which he says absolutely nothing at all.

    Here's the really scary part:

    *snip*

    There's a growing feeling in the industry that there is no tablet market, only an iPad market. HP seems to agree, and this in line with the price-slashing that's going on across the board. No one can catch the iPad, so HP is looking into vertical markets to see if it can pick up anything there. 

    In a way, it's sort of ironic. When Jobs returned to Apple he said that announced to a shocked Mac community that 'the PC wars are over, and we lost.' He then set about creating a new marketplace for Apple, which is where we are today. 

    I wonder if the likes of HP are thinking the same thing: 'The tablet wars are over, and we didn't even make it out of the trench.'

     

    well if  HP and other hardware OEM's want to stay in business then they better start playing the game....

    trying to sell a Tablet / Pad only to a small market has *NEVER WORKED* we have had them for how long now ? around 2005 i think?

    Apple got some things right based on looking at what microsoft did and at what was possible and then went  to it.

    if HP thinks that more of the same (Special tablet plan) will make them anything then they need to just stop now and close shop fast.

    Microsoft and all the hardware OEM's are going to have to go out and *COMPETE* with Apple if they want to win anything, do what Apple did and do it one better.  come out with different pad/slate/tablet designs that people will like the look and feel of. They are going to have to get software developers to make app's that look and work as good as the Apple stuff.  They might need to pay developers to make a bunch of apps to get the MS app store going, give away a bunch of devices at a loss for the first year to get it going.

    This is the one place where i agree with the stuff said about build, it's time to re-think the Windows PC / Desktop world and come out with a new generation of devices and get with the times.

    do it or die.

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